If God Is A Contradiction Then He Does Not Exist

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by relaxxx, May 2, 2014.

  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Seems to me that this is yet another example of atheists taking the Bible too literally. The Abrahamic God of the fundamentalists, as literally portrayed in the Bible, is a contradiction. My God isn't.
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    well there you go. there are some other problems with christianity and its bible, but whatever god or gods exist, owe absolutely nothing to them.
     
  3. storch

    storch banned

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    I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that what I thought was a human's shadow actually proved to be a human when it stepped out from behind the tree and attacked me. No figment of my imagination I assure you.

    By the way, you wouldn't be a figment of my . . . never mind.
     
  4. guerillabedlam

    guerillabedlam _|=|-|=|_

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    Contradictions which are found with absolute attributes of God proposed by some theists (human understanding) disprove it's existence. For instance if a theist claims that God is an all powerful and all loving deity and yet there is evil, pain, violence, murder, etc. pervasive in the world, which contradicts the attributes of being all powerful and/or all loving, then God does not possess those attributes and therefore does not exist.

    Theists then may take a position where they see God as working in mysterious ways to human understanding or God's love outweighs evil in the world or something but that's working with a weakened argument from those absolute attributes and is a different depiction of a God.
     
  5. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    thedope:
    All thought is embodied. No thought is idle. All abstraction is physical. An example, the look on your face at the thought - 'superhuman'. :-D

    No, the point is that potential is physical, despite your lie in saying it's not succinctly so.
    Everything is physical. You're in denial. A familiar conversation.

    Now you're talking!

    Can it, brainiac. :-D
     
  6. Irresponsible

    Irresponsible Member

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    define god.
     
  7. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    A poor hiding place for people who, for a variety of reasons don't wish to articulate themselves.
     
  8. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    None of those words encapsulate the meaning of faith. Of course you left out the one single word, IGNORANCE. If faith is one word it has to be ignorance, but it is more than that. Faith is a CONVICTION OF IGNORANCE. Unwavering loyal ignorance to some false beLIEf. This conviction of ignorance is also a REJECTION OF REALITY.
     
  9. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    You dope!
    Do you even know what a proper reference looks like?
     
  10. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    So billions of people do believe in this false God. This same false God you were brought up to believe in church.

    But your God isn't.

    Even if that somehow makes sense,
    shame about all those billions on the wrong path tho.
     
  11. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Taking post #168 along with this question.
    Ignorance is not a synonym for faith, period. If you want to add the qualifier blind faith then you might be in the ballpark. As I have pointed out faith is necessary for the formation of perception, or what Storch has referred to as the interpretation of sensory information. Blindness is the lack of seeing or perception and does not qualify as faith and ignorance is without knowledge or is the refusal to look.

    Why yes I do know what a reference looks like. When someone says so and so documented something, that is a reference. And when you say I haven't read so and so nor do I want to take the time to read so and so that is more akin to ignorance even than your claims on faith.

    Where are your references for claiming a synonym for faith is not a synonym for faith, or that faith patently means ignorance? Don't be stupid friend and bring the discourse up a little. About the grandest thing you can do for the furtherance of human cause is to be polite. Politeness in this sense may be to bring some intellectual honesty to fore.

    More can be learned in this instance from the study of meaning than can be learned from arguing against faith by claiming it is a form of ignorance. Rather understand the meaning of the word in it's proper context then we will be discussing something mutually verifiable, by definition and be closer in this discussion to our science.
     
  12. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    No and no and no. The problem is not with extant things but with ignorance of the proportions of extant things. What is owing of us to godliness/goodliness is understanding. The problem is not with reality, anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so and the answer to it always comes in some form of peace, (conflict resolution.) It is the solution that teaches, not the problem, the truth setting us free from the meanness of ignorance.
     
  13. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    i find when i think i am on the right and blessed path it is when
    strangers call out my name and say they want to go along to
    cept' they have a job or something . then when i get to the
    end , it is well to sing a song for them .

    when i don't think i am on that path , well either i am not or am
    not thinking about it .
     
  14. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I am rather not able to perform the physical task you suggest it involving some sort of inner invisible vision. When you say superhuman you do appear as some hybrid avian creature inherently stationed somewhere between a peacock and a loon.

    .
    Hey dude, I saw a consternation walking down the street!

    Why are you so inconsistent. One minute suggesting I enjoy and the next suggesting I bottle it up. Why can it, because it doesn't support your argument in the way you feel it deserves?
     
  15. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    I don't need to reference something that is such an obvious logical deduction.

    Where does faith originate?

    Religion, faith is a staple of the Abrahamic religions. Which even Okie admits are contradictory and flawed texts. At the very least, these countless contradictions mean the vast majority of religious beliefs held in FAITH were FALSE.

    If you NEED FAITH,
    you are certainly betting against the odds.
    In fact, even denying the odds.

    Faith is ignorance, it is a logical fact.
    An undeniable fact for anyone capable of rational thought.

    Want to connect the dots?
    - No sir, I have faith.

    Unfortunately I'm afraid religious breeding has created a logic bypass for this type of rational thought. I guess atheists and autistics are defective in the ignorance (or faith) section of the brain.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/all-autistic-kids-are-atheists-and-atheism-is-form-of-autism-says-association-head-.aspx?pageID=517&nID=45390

    Therapy, to rebuilt the IGNORANCE section of their brains, like the ignoramus Fehmi Kaya!
     
  16. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    relentlessness needs faith . to rest from it is in the comfort of
    knowing . so then , while resting along the path and not thinking
    much of anything here comes along a person of relentless oppo-
    sition who says 'surely , man , you are on the wrong path' - and
    says it again and again . one guy who did this to me i granted
    about two minutes for this rant then i see his feet are miserable ,
    bloated , with horrible crusty shoes .

    'take yo shoes off , Moses . you're standing on holy ground .'

    and then he could rest .
     
  17. puggybear

    puggybear stars may twinkle-but I shine!

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    This bloke chose a side-and is happy to answer all queries.

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  18. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    You do realize Thor and his hammer has nothing to do with the romans that nailed Jesus to the cross right? And that most of his worshippers and offspring have been christianized centuries ago? :p
     
  19. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    wait a minute ... just before dawn this morning i was playing
    with Tor's hammer , whacking it on the earth until i could feel
    the sound boom , then once again . i wondered if i might be angry .
    angry ? no . i am glad there was a sound , that from my dream
    action a voice returns , and the voice is rational and elemental .
    it is simply a boom . that the drum of the earth may be played ,
    though , has been a long time in becoming relational .
     
  20. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    Yeah only 'cause centuries ago the king of Denmarks 'ol lady thought christianity was really bitchin'... He was like, "Ok baby, what ever you want..." ;) and at the threat of the blade, most people went along.
     

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