If the Christian God is truly all knowing...

...then he knew that Adam would give in to temptation in the garden of Eden, and he is responsible for making us too rebellious from the very beginning.

If you want to argue that God had no idea this would happen, because of the free will he gave us, then you must accept that God does not really know anything you will do, he does not know your fate. There is no great plan, because he has no idea what you, or I, or any of the 6+ billion on our planet will do at any time.

Either he has a great plan and knew from the beginning who were/are condemned to hell (whatever that means to you) yet did nothing to change this, or we have free will and God is in the dark about our future choices.

I don't see how you can have it both ways.

 

I agree. If god new what our choices would be, then we would be on a set path, never changing from his plan. Therefore we would have no free will. At least in my opininion

 

Which is how we know that the story of Adam & Eve is a parable.

If God is all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful and infinite, he's seen EVERY EPISODE OF EVERY SCI-FI SHOW EVER.

WHAT A NERD!

 

if god is truly all knowing then he knows what i do in the bathroom at night. :sad:

but i truly take the adam and eve stroy as a methaphor for our intelligence.

 

Hate to drag this crappy metaphor out of the pile, but did you never get taken around to the house of a kid with chickenpox as a kid? It sucked at the time and you'd never have agreed to it, but as a result, you got an immunity to chickenpox.

Compare and contrast: was God's expulsion of Man from Eden really a punishment? Is Original Sin anything more than an incentive for us to make good of the world we live in? And are we really so hellishly tormented by the world we now inhabit? It seems pretty rad to me right now (I'm watching a chick in a bikini skiing :cool!), so maybe we weren't being punished?

 

Yeah, I think the whole thing is metaphor, describing real tendencies in human nature. If God give humans free will, by definition He'd be closing off areas from His control. Is that inconsistent with omnipotence? If you say yes, then God can't close off areas from His control, which would mean there's something He can't do? Then would be not be omnipotent? I think theologians decided long ago that omnipotence does not mean being able to do something logically inconsistent, like make something black and white at the same time. If god decides to grant humans free will, it would be logically inconsistent with that to say he can continue to control their actions. By the way, who said that God is omnipotent?

 

You've touched here on one of the big philosphical problems which Christian theologians and philosophers have failed to solve through 2,000 years.
Freewill vs. predestination. Because if God knows the future in every detail, then He knows who will be saved, thus the rest are predesinted for damnation.
This means that we would have no free will, no choice. Therfore it makes a mockery of the entire Christian doctrine of salvation.
Major figures such as Calvin and St. Augustine held this position of pre-destination.

 

they were talking about the sun. it's beyond conscious.

we art one.

 

Sorry, but who was talking about the sun?

 

the minions

 

And who might they be?

 

the ones who are not asking questions.

or the little dudes with red tridents poking at my knees.

cloud formations, if you ask me.

 

http://andoversetters.com/db2/00180/andoversetters.com/_uimages/ChanceWeb2.jpg

 

You on drugs kid?

 

haha absolutely not. I just had some decaf coffee 'cause I can't stand caffeine.

 

p.s. I know you silly little humans will never ever believe a silly little human like me

but that sun of ours is a conscious entity.

 

Vivashwan.

But even so, I can't see how this would have much significance for the topic here....

PS - I was only joking about the drugs.

 

vivashwan, now that's a beautiful word

and oh yes, topic, get right to it, sorry to drift amongst and away like a big ol balloon

 

Vivaswan

 

Vedic sun god.

Also probably drifting off topic....but let's face it, Christians haven't solved this problem for centuries, so I doubt it'll get solved for them here. Probably they'll brush it under the carpet and continue to dogmatize.