Illegality of Gay Marriage?

Ok, so I'm not trying to start a debate or anything I'm actually all for gay marriage. I'm just curious as to what basis the states and those that oppose making legal have. I feel like the only way gay marriage could be considered illegal is on the basis of the Bible. But, since we're supposed to have a separation between church and state I'm not sure where those arguing against it get their credence.

So could someone just tell me how certain states oppose it.

 

Marriage is, in the sense that we use legally, an abrahamic invention.

Of course every society pretty much has some sort of marriage, but ours is based on the christian and jewish types.

As such, even though it's legally recognized, christians think it's theirs, and that because the state recognizes marriage it must recognize it how the bible says it is.

It's an assenine sort of "I have my first amendment religious freedom, so you can't stop me from FORCING IT DOWN YOUR THROAT and doing away with jefferson's wall"

In my opinion, there should not be a legal recognition of marriage. We should have a system of civil unions, and marriage (which is a specific type of civil union) should be conducted through the church. As such, you could have a union without marriage, marriage without a union, or both or neither. I don't think it constitutes seperation of church and state to give advantages to those who accept a religious practice, even if the state version is non denominational. A state sponsored union, grandfathering in all current marriages, would provide the same benefits, but allow anyone who wanted to have a union could, and those who think marriage is a church issue could have their way and have a marriage with their individual bigoted congregation.

 

The concept of marriage was around long before Christianity.

Concepts of same sex unions and varying sexuality were also around a long time before Christianity, long before the written word, hell even before homosapiens learned language

In some ancient cultures those with questionable gender were thought to have two or more spirits inhabiting the same body, thus were revered and became the spiritual leaders or witchdoctors.

Today in some forms of Catholiscism, to become a priest, one has to take a vow of celebacy, a vow not to fuck women, which makes it a perfect job description for guess who?

A lot of it is all this Holier than thou crap: Those Married with Kids look down on those Married without kids. Those Married with or without kids look down on those in defactos. My Religion is better than your religion. My God is better than yours. My way is right yours is wrong, thus I'm better than you.

The rest of it comes from stuff people never say out loud. So its just this weird Political type jargoning that doesnt really make any sense

 

There is no justifiable objective reason to keep gay marriage illegal. Its all perspective, as as it was said by Vanilla Gorilla, people find ridiculous reasons to believe they are somehow better then other people. There is a lot of debate around giving homosexuals a "civil union" rather then marriage. But in my opinion, they are the same thing, the problem is that if homosexuals were given a civil union rather then marriage, that subjectively one is "better" or somehow more "proper".

Not everyone who is against gay marriage are like that though. My mom for example is completely accepting of people being GLBTQ, but believes that marriage is between a man and a women, not for any other reason other then that is just how she was raised.

 

this argument again... bite me.



gettit????? 'cos i'm a shellfish.. and christians
eat shellfish... oh never-mind.

 

I suspect that the entire "christian" argument is a redhearing. Politicians are using it as an excuse. The real problem is a financial one.

Thank about it,
How do you police same sex marriage benefits? For example, some guy named Frank lives down the street from some guy named Joe. Frank has a medical and dental plan whereas Joe needs dentist. So they get married and Joe gets his teeth fixed.

The list is long for abuse. Two men (or 2 women) get an apartment together but say they're married for better tax advantages. Same sex marriage opens up a big door of financial problems for the government.

 

I understand where you are coming from, but you assume that gay persons would get married just for that benefit when straight people would not. Which is silly. You must either concede the argument because it would not happen enough to be relevant (people do not often get married for that reason), or you accept that straight people would do it as well, which also makes the argument irrelevant because its already happening at the much larger scale of straight marriage.

Its not just about SAYING you are married.

 

could not have said it better myself

 

I'm not assuming that at all. I never once said that.

Now I'm not gay and I'm not inclined to be gay. (Tried it, not my cup of tea)
I have an assurance policy that kicks in after my death. Well my kinds are grown and they really don't need my help and my grandchildren are getting bigger. If I thought it would help a friend, I wouldn't care what the gender is. I would be happy to marry them and they could have return from the policy.

 

The other side of the fence too

Last time I read up on this was an article about the number of civil unions in the UK and how the numbers have been diminishing in the 7 or so years since there inception, and the low take up rate given the estimated number of gay people in that country. From memory think it was something like 1 in 20 that even bother with it.

Some may argue its cos they are called unions and they are not the real thing, or perhaps many gay people dont really give a crap, except for the legal rights.

So from the other side of the fence, I think its a whole bunch of do-gooders raising hell on our behalf, again with other alterior motives.

When it ever pops up on TV its usually on your garden variety chat shows panelled by a bunch of cranky menopausal women whose only link to the gay community is a few Elton John albums and some friend back in high school they thought was gay cos he used to really like the Sound of Music



And as for the concept of Marriage itself, to be totally non PC for a minute, given the number of straight guys that are complete a-holes, I dont see why the same fever isnt given to the fight for polygamy. A bunch of gals should be able to marry a decent guy if it suits them. Legal complexities aside

 

Same sex marriage is legal here in Ontario which is cool I guess but I've never even came close to thinking of marrying anyone. I think marriage is pointless anyways.