Infallible proof of god

I just cant reallly convince myself of god... All the proof around has been altered and changed so much by human hands over the years that i dont trust it. Does anyone have real, hard, physical proof of this? I want to belive but I cant.

 

Your ENTIRE life experience is based on faith. All of it.

Think of when you were a baby... you can't remember but when you went from crawling to walking i'm sure your were scared you needed to build the mental confidence in your own muscular ability to carry you. Same when you came to riding a bike... and so on and so forth. It is hard for any human to KNOW something.

Therefor your entire experience is one of faith, you simply choose what you put your faith in.

I just posted in another thread how even science requires faith. I'm sure I will have to re-post my ideals after a few replies...

 

^He's right. There is no infallible proof. and this goes for EVERYTHING. Whatever you think is right, thats what you truly have faith in. If theres was a definite proof of anything, everyone would be on the same wagon. But thats not the case.

 

The only proof is that which you experience for yourself, and you will come to learn that proof is not always physical. All you would have to do is look around, experience, and see that life is really one ever evolving proof in itself, yet who can see this?
We are too busy looking for some "miracle" that we miss the most obvious one of all. Proof does not have to come in the form of an angel, a voice, a breaking of physical boundaries. It comes from a realisation 9not physical).
That is my truth anyway, so i wanted to share with you, but you must find your own.

 

what he means is that pretty much all of the major scientific breakthroughs and advancements are all accepted by the general public as truth, even when they dont completely understand why it is so, and why it is real.

for example, generally everyone accepts the fact that the world is round. why do they believe that it is round? because they were told it was. it is no different than saying there is a God, because you were told there was.

 

yes I am serious.

today go out into town, and ask people to prove to you that the world is round, without quoting someone else, or using hand me down information. I guarantee you they can't do it or tell you why it is how it is.

 

ok then fedup.


can you do it then? can you prove that the world is round by using your own head?

 

If, as you say, "it is hard for any human to KNOW something."
I guess, you're not human then. :jester:

Otherwise, how did you manage to come up with that conclusion? :jester:


On the other hand, if you're human, then why should we believe you?

 

Neo's point is that without getting information from another source (aka only relying on your senses, not reading it in a book) it is nearly impossible to explain how you know the world is flat. Yes you learnt about it in school, but that is a second hand source. Do you have a first hand account about how you figured out how the world is round?

I think it is true to a point and does rely on faith, but not the same type of faith as a religious faith...

 

So I was flying from New York to Philly ... My first time ever flying the stewardess lady that took my ticket starts hollering behind me get on the plane sir, get on the plane, I turn around and said fuck you... "get on the plane", i'll get IN the plane, let evil kenevil get ON the plane

- George Carlin -

2 reasons why I Opened with this ... one it's funny and i thought it would make Fedup Smile

And as always there is a method to my madness...

Mr. Carlin's humor always played and preyed on the sensitivity of LANGUAGE. i.e. Why to they call it a Warehouse you can't wear it and you don't live in it!? LOL ...

So here was my point...

KNOW: (according to meriam webster online)

transitive verb1 a (1): to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2): to have understanding of <importance of knowing oneself> (3): to recognize the nature of : discern b (1): to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2): to be acquainted or familiar with (3): to have experience of

If you contemplate this question and ask yourself two questions this is where you'll start journeying to my prevous conclusion.

1. What controls my life experience?
2. How does the power of perception truly influence my said life experience?

...

And in reply to stev90 asking me how should we even listen to you... well in reality ... we all do and have to DISCERN when choosing what we put our faith in... you kinda made my point for me by using me as a pin cusion Thanks!! ~HUGS~

And finally FedUp you said something like "it's called an education"... ok ... Ok when i was a child and I went to school they taught me to write therefor i assume i KNOW how to write but when we look at Mr. Carlin's above humor ... do we we really KNOW how to write? Do we KNOW the English language? Hell... what is lauguage?

You'll often hear spirtual masters speaking of humility... it's not about beating yourself up and throwing yourself on your knees being in this super ooober connection state 24/7 ... in my opinion it's this very fact. It's accepting life as a never ending discernment/faith process, it's not black and white, reality is what you make it based on these choices, and there is alot more to that then meets the eye...

(By masters I mean THE masters not pastors, i'm talking Jesus, Budha, Kirshna, and so on and so forth)

- peace and love -

Nik

 

not at all ... it's anything you choose as true at the time like i said before until you had faith in your own legs you were quite content in crawling

 

the fact that fedup doesn't seem to see the parallel amuses me greatly.

him declaring that the world is round while not proving it and laughing at everyone that questions that is no different than me saying "God exist just because he does and saying you are stupid not to believe me".

he is probably on a quest to figure out how it was proven that the world is round as we speak.

"LOLOLLLOLOOOLOLOLLOOOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLLOLOLOOLOLO"

 

What would you except as proof?

If you don't want to believe in God, all proof that he exists could be reasoned away. If you want to believe in God no proof is necessary.

The real question you should ask yourself is who do I want to be and will belief in God help me to be that person?

 

:lol: Thanx man, I needed that!

 

um....so where exactly....did I say the world was flat?

But I think you got the point. I will leave you alone and spare you now.

 

From the point of view of deluded christians the world is vertical and hanging on a cross. No amount of rational argument will suffice.

 

^ In case you have forgotten, you should know that your above post directed at fedup contained a personal attack, in violation of forum rules.


I have forwarded a copy of your post to Skip and the rest of the moderators.
Hopefully, this will jog your memory.

 

If God exists he has created a universe so consistent as to be perfect. In some Islamic countries, carpets are woven to contain one deliberate flaw, as a mark of respect for Allah - because perfection is seen to be God's domain.

The point being, there will never be any proof of God, just as there will never be any proof of virtue, grace, good or evil. They just are or they aren't. If God's existence could be proven, it would imply that some aspect of His creation is imperfect, that he left a loophole for us to exploit. Personally, I believe only the most arrogant and self-absorbed people claim to have found proof of God. For them, faith is not enough, and others' faith is not enough either - they need to feel like they have somehow tricked the system, cheated and found a way to prove what should never need to be proven.

 

Good post, SelfControl. Well said.

The trouble is that for some, in this context, Christian religionists want only THEIR interpretation of what their Bible tells them. It's all a matter of black and white, a very useful tool in exercising control and manipulation.

 

I'm pretty sure that neo didn't intend for it to sound that way.

He was making a point that he will be just as naive as someone else if he said this and this.