5.82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. 2:216Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. 4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. I'll believe it is a peaceful religion the day I believe OJ is innocent.
the religion imo is not peaceful...but that dosent mean members of teh religion arent. the same goes for christianity...perhaps the largest mass murder in history
you look for the bad in the religion that is why you cannot see the good. if i were to post some of the stuff in the old testament it is amazing, or even some stuff in the new testament. anyone can find evil in anything the true test is to find good. once you have found the good you use it to help them and understand them. picking bits and pieces of anything is bad, in life, religion, or health.
I'm not saying that there aren't good aspects to Islam, and that the majority of Muslims are all evil terrorists. All I am saying is that the recent claims of many Muslims that Islam teaches peace are false. Yes, I agree that 99% of all Muslims are peaceful people, but the religion does not preach peace (e.g. the Quran).
Sorry, the above response is from me. I am on my roomates computer and didn't realize I was on his name until I had already submitted it.
Islam is quite peaceful... the essence of any belief system, for that matter, is peaceful. Sadly, the actions of some religion's followers aren't.
yea, the only thing that could be considered mass murder by the christian church is the crusades, which the muslims were part of too, it was a war, not murder, and before someone says the witch hunts, not just christians did it. others did too all over america and europe. it wasnt the church that did it, it was the people
while islam on the other hand, had their jihads and killed thousand of people all around the arabian penninsula, northern africa, and south eastern europe. (turkey area). this wasnt war THAT was murder. but neither that or the crusades apply to the people today. i have friends who are muslims even though they arent supposed to befriend non bleivers. PS why is this in christianity? put it in islam, even though youll only get the muslims yelling at you for being an "ignorant jerk". but i see where you aer coming from. the basis of it isnt peaceful
I deal with people on a person by person basis, not according to their religion. However, after the latest atrocity in Baghdad, the bombing of another mosque, killing almost 80 and wounding like 130, it would be hard to say that Islam preaches peace. The sectarian violence occuring in Iraq, only makes Islam look bad. Very bad. In fact it makes Islam look worse than the US army! You can't blame America for this shit. At this point I'm all for the immediate withdrawal of US troops and let the Iraqis sort out their religion/politics themselves. (like Bush would let THAT happen...)
I agree that the only logical solution to the war between these people would be to remove all foreign military from the area and turn off the 'spotlight' because they KNOW they have the world's attention, and I believe they are doing most of this ignorant shit to maintain it. I would like to see how they live and treat their neighbors if they understood that nobody, other than the entity they claim to worship would be concerned or aware of their actions. There is no excuse, but I am curious about something Hopfully you can enlighten me on something here... Would you say that you are outraged by the events taking place in this war zone because U.S. troops are involved, because it involves these suicide bombings, or because they do not discriminate amongst their victims? Besides the fact that we are constantly being notified of each attack, bombing and ounce of blood that pours down their streets, what else about the destruction of life they are experiencing bothers you? If this war was not important to the people who are in control of nearly every aspect of our lives, would it be that important to all of you? Obviously the USG has a hidden agenda, and if it were not in the best interest of the people who are trying to dominate our existence our media wouldn't showcase the bloody events taking place in the Muslim world... and we probably wouldn't care if they were blowing each other to pieces, because nobody would be reminding us about it 15x a day. What I'm saying is that as horrible as these suicide bombings are and the other forms of destruction taking place in their environment, it's not as if we have a problem living 'comfortably' in a country where childrens lives are destroyed and innocent victims are killed on a daily routine basis. Alchohol and drugs, child abuse, medical malpractice, suicide, and the number of murders that take place in this country amount to at least 20x(guessing) the amount of death and murder that occurs on the 'other side of the world'. So why does it disturb you to see blood and bodies splattered all over the place in their world, when we just take it with a grain of salt every hour when a preventable death occurs in ours?
NCF145 This is right! do you want documents? check up And of course Allah doesn't mean All Jews, Very true! or do you want us to turn our other cheek! Warfare is ordained for you (with whom?) let Allah answers: Quraan: And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. Quraan: But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allah. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. out of context , read the verse again: 4:89 They (who are they! read the previous verses) long that ye should disbelieve... Muslims are totally allowed to befriend even the athesits, we can for e.g. (male Muslims) marry non-Muslims women (from Christianity or Judaism) if you are talking about [4.89] They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya (protectors or friends) from them, till theyetc however, read the previous verse as well, Allah is talking about a particular people at the time, you will find similar verse: O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Quran, and Muhammad SAW), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, etc., as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray, (away) from the Straight Path . when you keep reading Allah further says: Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. Accordingly, we cannot take particular people as friends! Allah is talking about particular people. what's the wrong with that, very rational. (Sahih Bukhari) Narrated Asma' bint Abu Bakr: My mother came to me, hoping for my favor) during the lifetime of the Prophet (her mother was a disbeliever and Asma became a Muslim) asked the Prophet, "May I treat her kindly?"He replied, "Yes." Ibn 'Uyaina said, "Then Allah revealed: 'Allah forbids you not with regards to those who fought not against you because of religion, and drove you not out from your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them, Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. Quraan: But if they (both, the disbeliever parents) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly plus non-Muslims should know the following If someone really honestly wants to understand the Noble Quran, then he/she must not just only read the Noble Verses from it, but also study the history of each verse because each verse in the Noble Quran came for a purpose. The Quraan is the last Allah's Scriptures which Allah revealed in the installments over a period of twenty-three years. It is one of the fundamental sources of the Islamic teachings. Some of its surahs (chapters) and verses were revealed at Makkah, and the rest thereof were revealed at Madinah.Muslim scholars have analyzed these verses , taking into account the scriptural and historical context of the revelation. Learn more Peace and love Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens
True that Cat Stevens. Islam is the religion of Abraham. It is a religion of peace, it has been kept basically pure to its original intent. Yet radicals do falsely interpret the koran and their place is not in paradise when they die. Yet if we stop the instigation, then they will lose their power. Because Allah does not allow you to be the transgressors as cat stevens pointed out. If they then were to keep attacking the west, and Israel, then fellow muslims would have to root out the transgressors for they are the real evil ones. (worse than infidels)
Yes, and exactly WHAT are they doing to "root out the transgressors"? Practically nothing, imo. Why? Cause the fundamentalists have brainwashed their followers, not unlike the brainwashing all muslims endure, as well as christians. Hell it's almost like there was some pact made along time ago, where Jesus and Mohammed sat down together and said, "hey, let's spread our religions to the far corners of the earth. When we meet up on the other side, having overpopulated the earth and having used up most of the resources of the planet, we can have this HUGE battle between our religions, that will decimate the population of the earth. Won't THAT be FUN, Mohammed?", Jesus smiled. Perhaps they placed bets to see who would win? So they had to insist that their followers stay true, fuck as much as possible to increase the population, try to convert each other's flocks, brand each other as heathens and infidels, and kill each other whenever, wherever they met. Seems to explain the course of events of both religions handily. And YOU PEOPLE attribute GOD like motives to these characters? That makes me sick! I'm sorry history, despite being rewritten by the conquerers still in NO WAY portrays either religion as "peaceful".
It's because OUR TAX dollars, our CHILDREN, and OUR "Good name", are being wasted just so WE can put MORE GAS in our guzzling SUVs! Who the fuck cares what happens in Iraq? Let them kill each other if they want. It should NEVER have concerned us in the first place. Saddam was NEVER a threat to us. If muslims want to kill muslims, that's THEIR BUSINESS. Imagine what we could've accomplished without having to have spent $400 billion on these unwinnable wars for oil! We could NOW be 100% energy independent on renewable energy resources had than money been spent on it over the last 5 years. And we could've kissed the whole Mideast goodbye, and let muslims live in "peace". Of course Bush & Cheney's oil buddies wouldn't be having record profits if we had followed that course, would they? They are the ones to blame for all this.
Nimrod's Apprentice My dear brother, Muslim Scholars already gave declared a Fatwa regarding this stupid Muslim terrorists, It is TOTALLY Halal permitted allowed to kill them according to Allah's teachings and commands and law, actually it isn't allowed only it SHOULD BE SO and you should call the police if you know any info that will lead to them, it is not acceptable to shelter them, and if you will do so, then you are a terrorist too,Sadly, I don't know if the western media and newspapers published this important FATWA and if they didn't do so, then it is probably deliberate, Mostly, 95% My sources of news is AFP, Reuters, and the Arabic newspapers and others BTW: there are many of Muslim Sheikhs, Imams, scholars, religious and non-religious Muslims, who denied that and said that it is far away from Islamic teachings on TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, booklets, youth programmes ,advertisements , cartoons and posters on the walls, take for the Example Makkah you will find Huge posters on the walls which say like ''no for terrorism'' or '' together against terrorism'' I don't remember what was written exactly it was a huge poster and many things was written I just took a glance, Here is one of them and yeah you 'll find in the Saudi newspapers and TVs channels advertisements that if you will capture or lead or help to lead the police to catch and find the Muslim terrorists then you will be rewarded, like about 250,000 I believe or more, they the stupid are killing Muslims too if you don't know this.On the 29th of July the Moslem scholars at USA gave (Fatwa) about Terrorism . Myself, I buy newspapers which are from the Arab countries, they wrote several times that the KSA killed yesterday such and such of numbers of Muslim terrorists and their names are such and such and they put their photos and how did the fight between the police and the terrorists take place. Actually KSA's channels specify many programmes regarding terrorism and the Muslim Sheikhs are the Hosts of these programmes. See what happened in Jordan last year, a Muslim man is he who led the police to the place of residence for those stupid terrorists and by that Muslim they found their passports. I wish they will become extinct, Amen. on Wednesday,28th of Dec 2005, 5 Saudi policemen has been killed in KSA, and the terrorist has been arrested his name is '' Muhammad Abdul Rahman Al-Swailmee'' plus, on Thursday, 29th of Dec 2005, the KSA police killed 2 of the terrorists and they posted their dead bodies' photos in the newspapers. Plus, a Kuwaiti court judged to execute 6 of the terrorists. If you watched (abc) news on the 29th of July 2005, they broadcasted an interview with (Shamel Basaieeve) a Moslem terrorist like Osama in Sheshan (Russia). Did you hear what he said? Did he say that Islam orders him to kill the innocent people to pressure on the Russian government!! Check up on the matter, please. Thousand thanks to Allah that he said the truth, I hope that Osama will do like him and link his brutal deeds to his stupid evil desires not to the Islamic teachings. May Allah bless you, Amen =) Tons of Peace and love Yours Sincerely,Cat Stevens
