Israel want a war with Iran. Fight it on your own dime.

Wrong again. China "officially" published 20 million killed. But yeah, that is a very conservative number. According to this, the highest estimate is what you stated, 43 million:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_disasters_by_death_toll

If you could could the number of dead there and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_casualties_of_war plus the number of people killed by Americans during these wars and these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll I wonder how many people have died because of American violence, genocide, war or because of American foreign policy.

Approximately 500+ people die every year trying to cross the border from Mexico to get into America. I wonder how many die in America every day because they have poor health care.

The death toll of American violence, neglect, policy, is monstrous and disgraceful.

And you brought up the 'Great Jewish Conspiracy' again to make light of American violence and make it as though Israel is to blame for everything that the United States has caused. Please do not deflect the seriousness in which the USA is to blame for the millions of death each year on this planet.

 

But who is condoning any kind of violence other than yourself? Not me!

When did I say America was innocent?

Did you really think what you said would piss me off, as if I have some sort of blind patriotism for my country like many brainwashed Canadians have of theirs? I am well aware of America's bloody and brutal history, and have written extensively about it. Except while I go by the facts, you're motivated by pure hate, and it's evident by the mindless and venomous bile you spewed in your above post.

I speak out against American and Israeli violence and warmongering, though I have heard you speak in an apologetic way regarding Israel's atrocities many times. So why are you only willing to condemn US violence, but not that of Israel or some of the other murderous regimes you have claimed to support (like the ANC)?

It shows nothing other than your own hypocrisy and, at worst, sheer ignorance.

It's kind of like how some people criticised Bush (and rightfully so), but are silent when Obama does the same things (like calls for an escalation in Afghanistan or launches pre-emptive attacks into Pakistan). Suddenly it's goooood when the other party of corporate criminals gets elected and does the same things the previous party was guilty of.

Yup, lots of captive minds out there.

 

You excused American atrocities by pointing the finger at Israel and proclaiming Israel as being responsible for them through the 'Great Jewish Conspiracy / New World Order Conspiracy' that you perpetually default on to explain any rightful responsibility.

You are asserting that the results of US foreign policy and any deaths as a consequence are the product of a large Israeli control system.

You claim the same people who are controlling the USA also control Israel. Anyone who cannot see "this" country or "that" country in terms of mere pawns in the globalist system are captives within their own mind, because they just don't see the truth like whatever drugs you see the truth on.

So don't go around saying that I'm motivated by hate, because you obviously are the person who can't stand anyone who has a thinking brain outside of your NWO tunnel visioned party lines clearly in your above post.

Please cite the "many" times that I have spoken apologetically to Israel's violence? I'd love to see you attempt, because you can't.

The only time you are apologetic to Israel is... never. So we all know the kind of hate you are motivated by.

 

Um, I have. I posted a thread about Israel's army killing Amnesty International, red cross, UN personnel and forcing them to withdraw from the Gaza zone like, just a few weeks ago.

What makes you think that I'm apologetic to Israel and every other murderous regime (like the ANC - WTF?) ? Is it because I criticize your unfaltering and unwavering belief that Israel is inherently evil?

If I'm not with you, I'm against you right?

Jesus Christ. Get a hold of yourself before you start making feverish accusations that I'm a Nazi just because I said Americans commit monstrous atrocities that are incalculable and outweigh any kind of global atrocity Israel has ever been guilty of.

 

So is Scott Ritter a Jewish conspiracy/NWO theorist, too?

Israel's influence of US policy & the Israeli lobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O125hGt9qt4

How about Amy Goodman and Democracy Now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNQv5YSg_YA

See, I really don't think you know what you're even talking about half the time. I don't mean that in an insulting way either.

This has nothing, whatsoever, to do with some "Jewish conspiracy." Absolute nonsense!

 

You should take your own criticisms and apply them to yourself sometime.

So, I guess you are just going to insist on parroting the same anti-globalist party lines you are increasingly programed to spew out.

What a shame.

That's great that there are pro-Israel Lobby groups with influence on USA foreign policy. It's not like I wasn't aware of this fact.

It's amazing that you cited Amy Goodman, because you hate Democracy Now and criticize them as being Socialist ignorant leftists. But your hypocrisy has no limits as of late, this is just the tip of the ice berg with you I think. For whatever reason you have some kind of vendetta against me, probably because I don't support many of your anti-NWO ideology and literature.

Or maybe it's because I am someone who has professed to ascribe to a particular political leaning and you think that gives you license to accuse me of being a warmongering, power-thirsting moderator dumb-dumb who doesn't know anything you claim to value as being knowledge.

 

But you just accused me of spouting Jewish conspiracy theories because I mentioned the Israel lobby's influence on US foreign policy. If you are aware of the Israel lobby and their influence on US policy, then why did you make it a point to associate what I said with some Jewish conspiracy theory? For the record, I don't believe in any Jewish conspiracy theory, and I think people that do have been mislead.

I have nothing against you personally, but you have made it a point over the past many months to troll my and other people's threads. When you decided that you didn't like what some of us were saying, you moved our threads using your moderator status, claiming they did not fit the criteria of the Politics forum (according to you and Balbus). But then you continued to post under our threads in the other forums, sometimes in what appeared to be an effort to egg people on. So I feel that not only do I need to defend myself when people make accusations against me that are completely false, but also I feel that I need to call these people out when they say things that are erroneous, while at the same time attacking me and my views. I encourage you and everyone else to do the same. I don't get offended by what people say to me over an internet message board, but I will call them out when I know they've said something that is wrong.

For the record, I never said what you claim I did about Democracy Now. You just made that up. No, I do not really care for Democracy Now, but they sometimes do have good information. If the information is good, then I will use it. I use sources from both sides of the left/right paradigm. It does not have to mean I agree with every single thing they say.

 

Well, I addressed why I thought you were projecting a "Great Jewish Conspiracy" in post #22. I have my opinions on what you say about Israel being the hub of elitist global control and power. So I express them.

I don't troll your threads. If I do, you need to report it instead of bringing it up here. It's a moot point either way to make that I don't like what people say, yet when I say something that I don't like, I'm trolling.

I have totally linked you to Democracy Now segments and had you tell me what a bunch of leftist socialist brainwashed yuppies they are. I distinctly remember this because I am a die-hard fan of Democracy Now and love sharing new clips with everyone that I possibly can.

See, there I go calling you out on something.

But that's fine, you can say I made it all up.

I think at this point we're both guilty of becoming defensive and accusing each other of things that are ghastly and dastardly untrue. Do you think it's worth it at this point to try and settle our accounts?

 

Except:

1) I never said that

2) I don't believe Israel is the hub of elitist global control

But I don't want to keep arguing about this shit. It's not worth raising my blood pressure over.

 

I am sorry for what that's worth.

 

No, I am guilty myself, so we'll just leave it at that.

 

It's okay. I'd rather you say something than not anyway, sometimes it's agonizing to have a developed discussion on a forum. I'm sorry.

 

Yeah, I am sorry too.

 

Let Israel wage war on it's own dime. It's simple, they hate their enemy it's their war. Simple as that. If it's in their best interest they'll do it whether the rest of the world acknowledges their right or not. Why should we fund it? How can we afford to fund it?

Let's look financially at what Israel provides us...someone tell me what goods or services they provide the US.

 

Olive oil! And occasionally extra virgins!

 

Why do you see anything with the words Israel - USA as always talking about war or attacking somebody? Can't you see "America Attacks" is now over

 

the real problem is that the religious fanatics of israel are promoting war because they see all lands of the bible as israel or rather "greater israel".

you don't have to get angry or abusive all you have to do is turn off the money, the religious groups are like addled junkies they feed off an endless money from people that they hate.

of course there will be a reaction, any junkie when told that he will receive no more drugs will react violently, they will say and do anything that is required to get those lovely drugs.

israel has been in the grip of the religious fanatics for quite some time, they demonstrated their power with the assassination of rabin. a lone gunman was able to casually wander in and gun down rabin surrounded by a legion of security experts. so rabin was thrown into the grave and israel since has embarked on round after round of failed wars. warmonger number one ariel sharon still lays in limbo.

turn off the money tap to the fanatics and the whole problem will evaporate.

 

Turn Off The Money!

 

In a word Stop the settler zombies from overrunning the entire west bank.

 

FAIL!

That was 10.