Israel want a war with Iran. Fight it on your own dime.

this is simply not true
the majority of Israelis support the establishment of a Palestinian state, even the extreme right party -'yisrael beitenu' agrees on territorial concessions.
the fact that the Israelis hate the Palestinians and distrust them is undeniable , but the 'greater Israel' thing is hardly a factor in current Middle Eastern politics.

In terms of war there is very little difference between the pre-rabin and the post-rabin periods. In fact when Barack was the prime minister , he offered the palestinians much more than Rabin. The current Israeli prime minister agrees to a devision of Jerusalem which is something Rabin never even considered.
This conflict is not one-sided

Despite what many people want to believe, the world is complex ,there are no absolute good or bad

 

No the world is complex as there is no absolute good or bad, however there is a little thing called international law and prohibitions against such things as ethnic cleansing, land grabs and last but not least the excessive use of force in a conflict which in the context of Gaza may just lead to some of your people being indited to the Hague.

 

israel attacked the uss liberty intentionally. yet they want to pretend like they are our allie. i say let them fight their own battles with their own money. they have broken many international laws and many parts of the geneva convention too.

beside, it was largely the israel firsters who drug us into war with iraq and afghanistan. it's high time for the UN to dismantle the mess they made in 1948. considering that for centuries jews and muslims had lived in opeace with one another in the palestine area. i have trouble seeing why all this required creation of a nationalist state ran by fanatical talmudists. it's mind boggling that so many christians would support a state that is notoriously hostile towards christians much of the time.

 

they provide us with a lot of dual citizens that loot our wealth from us. unfortunately all this does is feed into negative stereotypes about jewish people.

 

you'd be smart to not use wikipedia as your final source for any type of info. seeing as how wiki is notorious for it's censorship and sometimes even downright fabrication of things about people. such as in the case of john segenthaler jr. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/28/20060428-111851-3791r/

israel isn't to blame for everything america does. but they sure do have way more influence on us than most other countries do, a little bit too much i'd say. it's a notorious hotbed for criminals on the run from american justice too. it's where meyer lansky spent many of his days at.

 

sure they do, but only about themselves.

 

as opposed to people who babble about worldwide antisemtic conspiracies against them?

 

well then you would have no problem for the money to be turned off

as for rabin

no one will know what could have come from the process, he's stretched out under some dirt and israel is embroiled in yet another war.

turn off the money and let the negotiations begin.

 

The money, 20 billions worth of unconditional loans annually. I think that money could be better spent. Who cares about Rabin what about Avigdor Lieberman and Benjamin Netanyahu. They make Hamas look like a moderate garden party club.

 

Boy these type of threads seem to be popular here with a few,shame no more than 6 or 7 people actually view them.No wonder hardly anyone participates in this 'politics' section.BORING.

 

Gee...

Maybe we should check out some Canadian Atrocities, eh?

wow!!... the Canadians actually did something.. amazing

 

can you say oxymoron? i don't call six or seven total viewers to be an act of popularity. if it's so boring, then don't respond to it from now on.

 

as far as amy goodman goes, she's just another one of many leftgate keepers.

 

You think I don't know this? Anyone that's a big name in the mainstream AND alternative media is a gatekeeper. Democracy Now gets huge amounts of funding from the Ford Foundation and others.

It's just that some people will only listen to people who appear to identify with their own conditioned beliefs about politics and the left/right illusion they believe is real.

I only expose the lowest levels of the true reality in these forums, because most people in here still believe whatever the 6 o'clock news tells them. If I go any further, I am a conspiracy theorist at best. At worst, a raving lunatic. And even with 90% of the stuff I talk about, which can be documented and proven, I still am called a conspiracy theorist by some in here.

 

Matt, you labeled yourself a conspiracy theorist years ago.

Today you just claim to know things that 98% of the population doesn't know about. Which may not make you a conspiracy theorist, but it sure does make you an elitist.

 

matt, some people don't want to admit that atleast part of the time here on earth. sometimes two or more people do get together to do rottten or questionable things. i'm sure it happens more than anyn of us would ever care to admit. but still, this is no excuse to turn a blind eye to the things which are wrong with our world.

 

no one forces you to be here

find some other more sympathetic forum

 

i notice that people who come on to threads regarding israel and make coments such as hawaiianeye has made. they more often than not are unabashadely pro israel. i still fail to see what anything that happened over in germany many years ago pertains to the arabs.

 

basically at the moment you have a foreign intelligence agency posting here on these forums. other pro israel types patrol post here but they are mainly fanatically indoctrinated and good helpers for the cause, they never question, they never think for themselves and they will never listen. they are here to shout down and smash any kind of free thought.

unless skip deals with these people by removing their posts they will break these forums in the way that they have broken america. they are not here for free thought they are here to destroy free thought and free speech.

 

Well now the reclusive Bin Laden is getting into the act with his latest tape. Which by the way can't be authenticated.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h6u_sSGRDtzcPsfqHBAYYU4_XP6A

I see this as nothing more than trying to stir up anti-arab sentiments and question who exactly releases these tapes. My only motive is the world doesn't need more wars at this moment.