Just to clarify...

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by Pressed_Rat, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I think I might have angered a few people in here with some of my words regarding the environmental movement. This was not my intention. My intention was not to put anyone down or detract from the importance of protecting our environment. Most environmentalists are great people, and some of them are my friends. Many of them truly care about the environment. My intention is only to spread what I believe to be the truth.

    My feelings regarding the environmental movement in no way correlate to my feelings regarding the environment itself. I do believe that humans are contributing to the destruction of our environment. All it takes to confirm this is getting in my car and seeing some asshole throw something out the window of their car. I cannot tell you how much this angers me.

    I myself am an environmentalist in my own way. I am not a member of any organization, nor do I feel that I have to be. Anyone who cares about the environment and takes simple steps to help protect it is, in my opinion, an environmentalist to some degree.

    People need to understand that the environmental movement is a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY! That's BILLION. The people behind the founding of this movement are some of the world's top globalists, including Prince Philip, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, and the Windsor family. I can tell you from my research on these people that they do not care about the environment. All they care about is the centralization of power and control on behalf of them and their minions.

    The big environmental groups work side-by-side with the big oil companies, so when I hear all this talk regarding "peak oil," I am naturally going to be skeptical. I become even more skeptical when I learn that peak oil is being pushed by the oil companies to justify an increase in profits. My belief, as well as the belief among a growing number of scientists, is that oil is an ABIOTIC substance produced within the earth by rocks and pressure. The "fossil fuel" theory is not only becoming increasingly disputed, it is also totally outdated and completely ignores much of the studies that have come out over the years.

    "Peak oil" also helps to justify an increase of government control, which leads to more government regulations in an attempt to "solve" the problem they have in fact created. This is often referred to as problem-reaction-solution, and has been used by governments for ages to control the masses. There is no better way to create a justification for this added control than though the promotion of artificial scarcity.

    The environmental movement also likes to push the Elite's "overpopulation" theory. I do believe that overpopulation poses a threat to the environment, but what exactly is overpopulation, and are we currently overpopulated? If so, what should we do about it?

    If you were to examine the findings of groups such as the Club of Rome, you would find that, according to them, overpopulation poses an imminent threat to the world. But, those who have critically examined these findings have found that much of it is either greatly over-exaggerated if not made up altogether. Because I don't believe that overpopulation poses a threat currently, does that mean I am somehow against the environment? No, it simply means that I don't just go along with everything I am told to believe. Rather, I research for myself.

    The subject of global warming as long been used to push international law, which results in the centralization of power and loss of national sovereignty; a precursor to World Government. It also serves to deindustrialize, not only the West, but third-world countries as well. Do I believe global warming exists? Of course - this is evident. Do I believe it's because of the reasons the environmental movement wants me to believe? Not really. It still doesn't mean that I don't believe humans aren't doing damage to the environment. However, I believe most environmentalists unknowingly are doing more to help the globalists than they are the environment. This is sad, but true.

    So to reiterate a few things....

    1) The environmental movement is a multi-billion dollar industry.

    2) The environmental movement was created by some of the world's top globalists, and is manipulated by these factions to this very day to their own ends.

    3) The large environmental organizations are working side-by-side with the big oil companies.

    4) The environmental movement is pushing overpopulation, which has not been proven, but is used as an excuse to forcibly sterilize women in certain countries, as well as exercise "population control." Is America next? We know the Elite have called for killing off large portions of the world's population in their many published documents. See the "U.N. Population Fund" and "Global 2000."

    5) The enviromental movement, through the U.N, has helped in the passing of international laws, resulting in a loss of national sovereignty, and placed unneeded power and control in the hands of a global governing body. This is completely unconstitutional!

    6) The environmental movement has aided in the deindustrialization of the West, as well as the third-world. This, in turn, has sent many American jobs overseas and is helping to lower the living standard in America and throughout the Western world.

    Again, I am not trying to berate environmentalists. I am simply trying to explain what I and many others who have researched the topic in depth believe the truth to be. Most environmentalists are great people, but they are being used in ways unknown to them, as a means for the Global Elite to centralize and consolidate wealth and power.
     
  2. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    Sorry Matt, I'm gonna have to call Bullshit on you here. I support many of your values and beliefs, respect the way you analysize things, but you are pushing your own theories here without explanation.

    There's no 'smoking gun' to support much of your claims

    Point 1 is valid, though there really is nothing wrong with that, most of us would be better off if it the environmental industry was a TRILLION dollar industry

    Point 3 is quazi valid. Conflict to popular belief, most companies who have caused major environmental issues (when caught), whether they be energy industries or otherwise, truly want to start the ball rolling and 'repent' on their sins towards mother nature as soon as possible. For some its to reduce fines, for others its because they actually care. For most, its for reputation because they are a publicly traded company and don't want the press. I've been closely associated with all three scenarios

    In your state of NY, look at the hudson falls project as the result of GE's polution. GE wants to push forward and get things fixed. The only thing holding it up is the EPA - not them or the environmental remidiation company assigened to report and institute the steps towards repair.

    This is true for most superfund fixes in this country. Those who did the crime are willing to do the time or in this sense pay the fine, when they are wrong. This one issue alone is a 5 Billion dollar repair, hence validating your first point and that's only one example within your state - lets not even attempt to quantify the world here.

    Points 2 and 4 through 6 lack any merit other than you expressing your stance. Where does your stance come from?

    I think you are generalizing the environmental industry far too much and are somehwhat aimlessly reaching to prove the that the environmentalists of this world are having Sunday brunch with the Oil execs and are laughing at the rest of the worlds ignorance as their bank account booms.

    I'm not saying ugly weddings don't exist because they do, but I really do think you are over generalizing regarding your theories here.
     
  3. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    I also have to call you out on something, what you said about the government using "peak oil" to justify it's tightening grip. That's total bs...hardly anyone even knows about peak oil, so how is the government using it? Clearly "terrorism" and "drug trafficking/use" are much higher on the list of excuses. As far as oil being abiotic, well, I never heard anything about that except from a few more "out there" people like you, and only on the internet. Even if it is, we're still depleting it. The wells still decrease in production, and discoveries peaked decades ago.

    That aside, I try not to worry so much about this corporate shit you're always on about (mainly because I doubt it's all as bad as you say). Those people generally don't want to help the environment, this isn't news, but so what? Change almost always comes from the grassroots, which is what I focus on. Which isn't to say the EPA, or other large environmental groups aren't doing good either. Shit, even some of the corporations are doing good, of their own free will. Of course there are power freaks, and corporate greed knows no end, but I just don't see some world conspiracy out there.
     
  4. liguana

    liguana Member

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    Rat, you shoot down anybody who doesn't share your beliefs as ppl who can't think for themselves...
    You're just going to have to accept that ppl will do their own research, many of which come from different sides, and come up with different opinions, does that mean they can't think critically, no it just means they think differently than you, why can't you accept that.

    Environmental concerns is much more than oil resources, pollution and global warming.
     
  5. peaceful

    peaceful Member

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    Lol, Rat is an environmentalist, right.
    Hey and i'm the top expert on the Global Elite, and here's some of their names:
    Pat Robertson, Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, David Icke, Jeff Rense.....
    How else would they know so much if they weren't in on it???? They are just pointing fingers at other people to distract you, oldest trick in the book, he who smelt it, dealt it.
    Frankly if Pat Robertson believes something, i just run from the stench.
     
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