- Just want some opinions -

What do you think is more bizarre, the peak of and acid trip or the peak of magic mushroom trip?
And I dont mean the part when shit gets all rediculous, I mean THE peak if you have experienced it before. If you can even remember it, of course.

My vote goes to mushrooms.

 

my vote goes to mushrooms too, I've had some insane trips on those...they always seem to take you through a spectrum of emotions and thoughts while acid always seems to be pretty consistent(it has it's craziness too but you know it's coming) for some reason mushrooms kick you in the brain then back off a bit then sneak up and assault you again....so then there you are thinking you've made your peace with them and enjoying your trip then wham! another punch in the brain.....

I'm crazy though, so it might not have been the mushrooms at all, ahahahhaa:cheers2:

 

I dont think your crazy, Im the same way.
With mushrooms it feels like there is some presence forcing you to bow to it, so you cant see it, and makes your brain feel like its closing in on itself. I think thats why there were called flesh of the gods, because its both emanating hatred and love at the same time.
With LSD shit just gets all mangled up haha :cheers2: But no frigthening presence, at least not in a way that cant be understood. Acid feels like the senses are hypersensitive and receiving too much so it becomes painful, but mushrooms is just bwwwwooowwwwww

 

I must just love acid too much.

 

Josh, not trying to be a doucshe here, but you need to eat more mushrooms before you roll up with an opinion like it aint nobodys business haha.
Im saying, I didnt experience the truly insane side of mushrooms until I had tried them several times

 

lol.

man I dunno.

It's true I haven't tripped as much as most of the other posters here, but I mean really, what is gonna happen if you do? You can go deeper and deeper down into this psychedelic world we have uncovered, but eventually you realize that there is no end to it. That's why it gets so crazy, you are swimming further and further out, but it's still the same substance you are in, you are still in water. I feel as though you don't need to be that far out to get the drink that you initially came for. I think a lot of people forget that, and get sucked out by the undertow.

B/c it's like this, one trip can show you more than a thousand trips, it just depends on how you look at it.

My trips were insane, but not in the way that such a word implies. They were very natural and beautiful to me, not because of alterations in sensory perception, but because of eternal realizations and shifts in consciousness. Psychedelics give us this adventitious overload, but it's the esoteric part of the trip that matters to me. And IMO, regardless of how deep down the rabbit hole you go with these trips, there is one thing that is the same in all cases, that is the common denominator, and that is consciousness, plain and simple, and that is what I feel these trips are pointing at.


P.S. I'm really digging the new Sig quote John. :cheers2:

 

While that's mostly true, I disagree that its just deeper down the hole. Because, even though that's also partially true, that is also what I thought from the time I was 14 and had my first beshroomed experience until I turned 22, when I had my main, most powerful experience.
And this sort of experiences leaves one very doubtful as to what divinity even means, in regards to how it was first approached. It's a nice blend of extreme intensity like someone is pushing a thumb deeper and deeper into a bullet wound, as well as a feeling of overwhelming love. But noticing them both in the same moment is often very difficult and I truly believe the mind fights back the experience and doesnt let us remember it until much later, weeks or even years after the trip occurs.
What I am getting at is that there is most definitley a presence to the mushroom peak, but it seems like either everyone feels this but forgets, or that not too many people munching on shrooms make it to that point. I dont know what the presence is, God, maybe aliens, maybe our alienated Self, maybe a Mother Nature deity type figure representing the balance of her mechanics. But this didnt come to me in full power until I had tripped many, many times, and now I have a deep sense of fear every time I eat a mushrooms. Not a fear of the unknown, but a fear rooted in respect, that I do not want to upset this presence because thinking your dying has nothing on wishing for death because it is that frigthening. But again, I dont think many people have made contact on that profound level, and I think every single one of us who has, has no idea what the fuck is going on in that moment.
Honestly, everything about psychedelic drugs mean nothing to me now that I can recall those breif encounters I've had. And thats a lot of prior appreciated experience that I am throwing out.

 

Noticing two polar opposites in the same moment is a blasphemy to the dualistic mind, so of course it would fight back. But I don't think that type of thing is ever going to be understood by the mind. The mind definatly has it's limits. Isn't the point of duality though to understand that there is no such thing as duality, and that the only difference between pain and love is whatever difference we attribute to it? What did you get out of an experience like that?

I'm certain that is just you being aware of yourself.

 

Since I've had divine experiences on both substances I feel it's my duty to post.

YES, Mushrooms are GODLY. I too believe the peak of a quality mushroom trip is extremely impacting, and very deep. As much as I love to admit LSD has opened my eyes to God, mushrooms were a sure shot way to get there.

With LSD it's really how you are thinking, and even the smallest of distractions can sway the mind away from thinking towards the truth. Mushrooms are nothing like this, mushrooms melt my world! The way the "melt my world" is beyond needed to understand the truth behind it all.

I really have a hard time explaining such things, but I suppose it comes with it. It's amazing, both are key pieces to the "puzzle" for you to piece together, if you so choose. I've been bit in the behind a few times on my psychedelic journeys, and have nothing but the up most respect for these substances.

But before I get off subject, yes, a quality dose mushroom trip is much more bizarre than that obtainable from a couple hits of LSD. That's not to say LSD can't have similar effects. It's just different.

Peace

 

most intense trip i have ever had was on LSD hands down..

 

Well, as for what I got out of the experience, I mean after it let the strangle hold grip retract, was a mix of the most bizarre confusion and a sense of being more alive than ever before. Because I was so thankful that not only I didnt die, but that I wasnt killed, nor did I attempt to kill myself (which I was most definitley going to do had I the ability to move, thank God the mushroom paralyzes you).
As for the nature of duality, I cant really say anymore that it's illusion or real, it's both, again another paradox on top of an eternal fractal of paradox. I can choose to believe on way or the other, but I dont because I've witnessed both sides of the coin and cant gather.
As for being aware of myself, this would make the most sense to the mind, and is the more soothing opinion because then it means that the pain experienced was just my own personality being totally shot down by my true Self. But again, there is no real way to know, the mind is suceptible to many tricks. This also would mean that outside of the human experience, whatever form is next might not be so frigthening after the initial final seperation of the material plane.
But that could easily be wishful thinking. And I guess this isnt spoken of often on the forums because there is no proper way to share the connection with a presence like such, and I also get the feeling that a lot of psychonauts are ashamed to admit how much fear they felt when confronted with the fountain of contradictions.

 

That's exactly how I feel, I dont mean to imply in any way that LSD hasnet taken me there. But it is just different, and to be honest, much less difficult to experience. At times the pain felt and fear of seperation was unbearable, but I've never begged for death like I have with mushrooms lol.
And yet I cant wait to eat them again, I've always been that way. Feeling like a dying animal as I once posted lol

 

It's soothing, I guess. I don't think a lot of people find it soothing though, to understand that you aren't who you think you are. That there isn't even a "you" other than the impersonal one.

Outside of the human experience, whatever form is next I'm sure could be just as frightening. But that's the point, it doesn't matter where you are, or what form you are in, there is still that ever pervading consciousness. I know I probably sound like a broken record by now, but that's just how I really feel.

As for wishful thinking, haven't even you yourself said before that love is the fabric of existence that is sustaining everything?

 

Yes I did say such a thing and I still believe it. But as far as the human experience goes, empathy is the highest form of love one can experience, and for the same reason that true beauty makes us cry, empathy is terribly painful.
Now of course some people totally enjoy that pain in the heart, and I guess its up to the rest of us to learn how to be in that state. Mushrooms have shown me a wonderful self generating force of love leaking out in every direction, but also an eternal sigh breathing infinite sorrow

 

That one still has my head all messed up, never got around to figuring that out.

 

Me neither.

 

Think about this:

Psychologists tell us that tears flowing when a real life crisis is successfully resolved stem from the repressed fear and anger that built up when the outcome was in doubt. Crying at a wedding or other happy time is unconscious dissatisfaction with how our own romances turned out.

Sometimes there is not that much of a difference between pleasure and pain.

 

Haha well, that might be true for some people, Krishnamurti expounded on this confusion many years ago as well.
But for others it is on an entirely different level. And most definitley pain and pleasure are on in the same, just opposite ends of a spectrum that is experienced in the same way.

 

I was countin on ya, man.

 

I was thinking more of like how we cry at watching a bird soar through the air, or a ladybug crawl around on a flower, or watching the tide roll in as the sun sets.