- Just want some opinions -

Although I'm very VERY sensitive, I never have cried at any of those things.

Things of that nature just relax me into a blissful thinking state about God and his lovely creations.

 

I once broke down into tears while I was cooking dinner for me and my son. I was so high just from being so in the moment and being so thankful to God for allowing me to experience this extension into Nature.

 

yeah, I don't think it's so much the specific things you are crying at, it's more like the underlying, subtle aspects hiding behind the imagery, the things they represent.

And if you are ready to perceive that, then it could really be anything that sets you off.

John, remember when you said you found the meaning of life while watching a cat with half an ear eat some trash or something?

haha I think you were playing, but there is actually an element of truth to that..

 

man I know what you mean. I was sitting in a waiting room at the dentist office once, I PMed you about it, after those experiences I had, and while I was waiting for them to call me back, I was just observing all the other people waiting, and started tearing up. It's really just about being in the moment, and it can happen in any situation.

 

No I was being dead serious lol, that was during the acid trip with my cousin this summer, everyone went to bed around 5-6am and there I was, sipping grey goose and juice while posting away :cheers2:

 

well, then that makes that story all the more awesome then. :cheers2:

 

Bizarre?

Acid and mushrooms are two very different trips but both peaks feel very natural to me. There is no point where it gets all ridiculous. I've had times with both drugs when I was unable to let go and enjoy the trip which inevitably caused difficult and uncomfortable moments but even when this was happening I realized why it was happening as I let go of trying to control my experience while I move on to enjoy my trip.

Neither peak is bizarre to me.

For me it's LSD every one to three months and shrooms every one to three years.

 

I guess bizarre is a word that means different things to different people. Just like every word.
What I meant, is which one feels more alien to you? This is not about a level of mentality, being tested and being in control, I wasnt implying that at all 3xi. What I meant, being that you yourself agree that they very different trips, which one reveals to you more knowledge or generally relays are more, 'alien' experience? Which one has given you a deeper dive into nature?
As for control and not having it, this only has happened to me as I've said a handful of times. But this is not at all to be confused to mean fear + loss of control = freak out. Every time I felt that I had no control, my body was also paralyzed completley, I couldnt speak, or move, or anything like that. I could only sit still and witness something very strange unfolding, and I find it amazing that such tiny chemicals unleash this activity within the mind, after the same amount of time, and lasting the same amount of time, every time I've taken a large amount of mushrooms.
To me, honestly, it seems that you either havent experienced something similar (which is understandable, these drugs touch us all personally and we have our own lessons to learn), or that you arent connecting due to miscommunication. Probably, I think, it is the latter, and partly, I think, because as I mentioned previously, the mind fights these experiences and makes the memory fairly fuzzy, both in meaning and in recollection of the experience.
And by all rediculous, I meant when the trip takes over the lower mind and becomes silly. Obviously there will be disagreement, but I hold the opinion that a trip is much like anything else, some people take it entirely seriously, other people dont take it seriously at all, and still others see it as both.
Quite honestly, if a person peaks on mushrooms and doesnt feel either a deep, paralyzing sense of horror, and doesnt witness that there is a moment when you truly can not remember that you are tripping and took a drug (much less even remember that you are inhabiting a body), then you are only just scratching the surface of psychedelia. I do not think that mushrooms are meant to be taken lightly at all, although parts are nonsense. I believe they show us what our death will be like, and for any man to say that he truly thinks himself ready to die, without fear of death, indicates to me a man who has not really witnessed how painful and humbling that experience is. There is no way to be in control, when you are frying so hard out of your mind that you cant even see your enviorment in front of you and find yourself face to face with nightmares and merciless machinery.

Chapter 11 v. 24
nabhah-sprsam diptam aneka-varnam
vyattananam dipta-visala-netram
drstva hi tvam pravyathitantar-atma
dhrtim na vindami samam ca visno
"O all-pervading Visnu,
I can no longer maintain my equilibrium.
Seeing Your radiant colors fill the skies and
beholding Your eyes and mouths, I am afraid."
- Bhagavad Gita

 

Lol WOW.

I've really got to get this book!

 

I have had more experience with mushrooms and they are definitely un-predictable and thats what I love about them.

 

Yea man I think you would love it. Of course, it's just as meaningful an example as any positive, selfless spiritual path, but when we remember that it's quite possibly several thousand years old and explains in language which is extremley advanced, it takes on something very profound.
To me, the similarity between psychedelic mushrooms, and even LSD for that matter, is very obvious, but they are so whimsical that they apply themselves to everything and anything. So maybe Im wrong, lord knows most people would disagree with my opinion.

 

Acid 100%. The shroom peak for me is always "huhuh...i feel like i'm the couch." an acid peak is "Olahua! pSAk ! " then the other guy goes "what are you saying?" and i reply "i encountered the Sun God!"

the thing is, shrooms will produce a narrow scope of effects in my opinion. all my shrooms trips, though different, are kind of the same: your body is combining with what you are feeling, rainbowey and rippley, something's happening but you dont understand it and aren't a part of it you just observe it... anyway, with acid, i've never had two even remotely similar trips. . i've met the sun god, a deceased relative, and patterns of creatures that wrap into a sphere that turns constantly. the acid peak feels more clear, you know what's going on and why you're here. i always gasp when i realize a short saying that is life-changing (ie. "all reactions are based on expectations.")

 

take a hero dose and you will see the presence in all its splendor

you seem like one of the more experienced trippers here so im guessing you have

 

Oh for sure, I have man lol, but that's when it gets really confusing. At least when you cant see it, your blessed with the gift of being allowed to guess.
I've eaten some heavy, and I mean HEAVY amounts of mushrooms at once before. But, it seems like once you eat so many, the trip cant be recalled almost at all. I mean, that's how it is for me. I remember my last hero dose, sitting by a fire as it came on, and snapped out of a trance 4 hours later. I have no memory whatsoever of the actual trip haha :cheers2:

 

The mushroom presence is why I like mushrooms.

The alone feeling on acid gets to me. It's like your in a new dimension, and it's only you, by yourself. Whereas with mushrooms I feel like I can trust it's guidance to pull me out and put me back together.

Last time on mushrooms, looking up at the internal tapestry of the mind, talking to myself in like a non-connected sense, like talking to the presence basically. I asked 'what do you look like' and then a very clear face pushed out of the tapestry. The presence of the mushroom is VERY interactive. Thats why I like it very much.

Acid for me just melts me, just like bam, hits me straight into that place each time. Whereas mushrooms you can ask, you can intend variations to it. The mushroom seems very kind to me in that regard, it seems like it actually cares about you to a degree. Whereas acid just dissolves it all.

I think in that regard though, mushrooms are more bizarre. Like I feel like I've gotten up into higher realms, seen a more overview picture of all of existence on LSD. But it's so crisp and clear, it just makes so much sense, at the time. Whereas the mushroom is almost like communing with an alien intelligence that lives among us, you can't make sense of it at all, you can only interact with it. It's incredibly more bizarre in that regard.

 

Thank you Rygoody.
Your post speaks a very clear message that I think we sometimes can not, and for many of us have totally lost the ability to, walk a path that is composed of both a very presice, straight line, which is also blurry as hell one in the same.
I dont know why it is this way, but it most definitley is. We have a fear of lonliness, this is not a fear as we perceive it but a true, biological program which determines the very thoughts we think, and the very actions we carry out. What people have been turning onto in recent history is our conditioning, but it is my opinion that they are scratching the surface of biological programming. Our thoughts are not our own, is what Im getting at, because we are not our own.
So, these mushroom trips when we are confronted with a presence, takes away the fear of emptyness, the void, and replaces it with a fear of our awareness absorbing too much detail and over cooking our processing unit. This I believe, is Nature Herself, taking on a manifested form, in order to guide us. It's scary for many reasons, mostly because when we think we are dying, and truly believe it, we have the fear of seperation from life, but because this is involved entirely with the lower mind, we cant remember in that state that you are life and life is you, and there is no seperation. We didnt ask to be born, or to die, but just maybe the reason we think that is because, like the most profound realizations during psychedelic trips, we dont remember what was before, and cant imagine what is coming next.
It's interesting that you had an entirely (from what I understand in your post, of course) positive, familiar experience with the very presence which made me feel fear that was physically unbearable. And it's interesting because my first experience which I can actively recall in minute details was also my girlfriends first mystical psychedelic trip, and the first half hour or so she couldnt stop crying, repeating over and over again that there is so much love, its too much love, how can this be how can we deserve this? And I tapped into that as well. Then BANG, out of nowhere, seizures and toxic ultra death overload and the presence was killing me for reasons I couldnt even begin to understand. But, not only was killing me, would let me die and fade into nonbeing, a nothingness, a void, then bring me back only to do it again, and again, and again, and so on and so forth.
And I kept repeating in my mind "God, why do I need to experience this? What could possibly come from such torture? Why wont I just die and be done with it?" and then I realized after the trip was gone, that I had to learn respect, and since my mind is such a bitch and tries to have a handle on everything, I needed the most hellish of pains and fears in order to appreciate that which others seem to gracefully slide right into.
Of course, I dont know if it was God, or my soul, or my mind, it felt that way at the time because of the immense power and sense defying brilliance, but now I can only faintly remember bits and peices. It was sort of like falling into and out of consciousness, like when you drink too much, and I was most definitley dizzy, but the moments when I was coherent and able to realize how much pain I was experiencing, it felt like my senses were amplified by millions of times, and kept getting amplified, colours, tastes, smells, etc. just went into a brilliance and depth which is so far removed from anything a person who hasent taken these drugs could possibly begin to ponder, and this led to feelings of hell and feelings that God was directly manipulating my perception of reality.
I have no idea what it all means of course, Im as simple minded, confused, and lost as the dumbest people out there, and I try to keep a clean slate for an open mind, in order to always be open and my awareness be operating at its highest levels.
But when it comes to certain things like this experience, let's just say that any doubt one could have regarding being alone in creation, is not even possible to entertain ever again. That was my second, and most forceful, push into the direction of God consciousness, and one must learn an overwhelming discipline in order to not cultivate more ignorance towards those who havent been exposed.
Much love and God bless

 

My feeling of loneliness, is not so much a fear. I've spent much time there, pondering, alone. Sitting in the bubble of perfection you could almost think of it as. But theres nothing in such a bubble of perfection except for whats done. Any such bubble is just a jewel dangling off from the top of the whole of thing, trailing behind. My lure towards the presence is more because, you must perceive the 'other' in order to further hybrid yourself to it. Alone is sitting still. Sensing the presence means your going forward.

But ya. Respect. I like to think I have the utmost respect towards the mushrooms and aknowledgement of what it is. But I dunno, it might still kick my ass someday. My time seeing that presence so to say, that was on some mushrooms I grew myself, sent them some good energy and love everyday. Made a point of hiking all the way out into the middle nowhere on the tallest peak in my state to make a real ritual out of it. Was ready to see, I didn't get a single wave of anything negative the whole time.

I did get the keen sense that the presence is gaia directly. I remember thinking 'the face of gaia'.

You know MAPS actually did a little study on people encountering such a presence, a voice to talk with on mushrooms http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n1/07112bea.html

 

Never been blessed with the gift of growing my own, but when I carefully picked from several fields on early 5am morning in Florida, walking out with trash bags full and making sure not to rape a single fairy circle, the resulting trips were nothing short of a mini recreation of woodstock. Everyone was stopping by for a cup of tea, and within an hour, the entire rainbow family presnce was lit up beyond words. Such a beautiful way to turn 17, and not one negative vibe was felt. But then again, neither was the mushroom lord, so it's entirely relative to the material bonding actions. God is a fine blurry line.

 

Ya I really do believe that drugs come with them bits and pieces of the energy from all who handle them. Must be very cautious of sources.

This actually reminds me. I've left a san pedro tossed on the floor in my closet for like 5 months now. I better put him somewhere good and water it.

You know if you use mycobags, growing mushrooms is as simple as injecting the bag with spores, then showing it light once the mycellium is finished growing. It's almost easier for me to do that than it is to hunt down a reliable dealer.