Let's set something straight

I've been getting some reputation comments and seeing some people on the forums talking about how it's wrong to criticize Michael Moore over his weight/appearance/sexuality/etc., and I'd like to point out the hypocricy of it. How is it that you can go around bashing Dubya for sounding stupid, speaking with a Texan accent (because he can really help it right?), or pausing between words during a speech, or bashing Rush for his dependency on legal prescription drugs, but then turn around and say it's wrong for me (who, interestingly enough, is not in fact a right wing fascist, nor a right winger at all) to insult Moore over his weight, which is a hell of a lot easier to control than dependency on medication. It's OK for you to poke fun at republican figures based on physical appearance, but it's not OK for me to poke fun at democratic figures based on physical appearance? Way to set a double standard.

I've made many arguments against Moore's integrity and [lack of] respect for the unbiased truth, so it's not like I'm (or any of the other fascist nazi loving right wingers here on the Hip Forums) ignoring what he has to say or how he says it. I just find it amusing how people who would criticize political figures based on physcal appearance in a heartbeat could get so bent out of shape over a few fat jokes aimed at Moore.

 

You make a good point, Max. I agree. Frankly, I make fun of all political figures, regardless of what side they're on. As I have said before, I have about as much contempt for Democrats as I do Republicans.

The funny thing about Moore is that he has been known for speaking out against over-consumption, yet he is nearly the epitome of every fat, wealthy American he speaks against - though I suppose in Moore's world over-consumption only deals with things like SUV's, not Burger King.

 

First of all. I find Michel Moore to be intresting, not genius or nothing. He's a fat fucker but I dont see how that aplies to his movie, much like bush's chimp like features have nothing to do with his term as president. Now I don't use rep for this very reason, cause it turns into a bitch fight. I disagree with your views a lot but I'm not gonna be a wuss about it and say its a bad post... Thats just lame.

 

Michael Moore is not the man america, kindof, elected to represent us worldwide. He is not supposed to be the epitome of the nation. The president is. So if the president, representing us, is slow, cocky, an abosultly terrible public speaker, has the facial features of chimpanzee, and always looks like someone just farted (I'm not kidding, like every picture i've seen of him he looks like someone just farted check it out) that can be a problem.
Rush has said that drug users are scum and deserve the maximum possible sentence, this makes him a prime target.

 

I admit I bashed Bush, but never for him "talking funny". Christ, that would be dumb because I talk funny. My relatives are practically hillbillys, who use the word "y'inz". I've been known to somehow fit the words "Ya'll", "Groovy", and "Bugger off" in the same sentance. I talk strange. I would never make fun of someone for talking funny. I get that shit myself. I walk down he hall and I hear, "look, that girl talks funny, and dresses weird, she must be a scary drug-using commie! Let's throw shit at her!" seriously that kinda thing is fucked up and if i ever did anything even close to this, (i doubt it but maybe), then i am truly sorry. I dislike Bush because of his policy. Thats it. I partially like Moore for his work. Thats it. There both ugly, but...

oh but Mick Jagger I love for more than his work. :H

 

What does y'inz mean?

 

I don't see what Moore's money has to do with anything. He wasn't born rich, he earned the money. Unlike most political figures we have in the US today.

 

Rush Limbaugh's "legal prescription medication" ceased to be LEGAL or PRESCRIBED when he was paying his maid to score it in a parking lot, no?

Anyway, I don't recall seeing anyone "attacking" Limbaugh for being a DRUG ADDICT. Lots of folks (myself included) attacked him for being a LYING, HYPOCRITICAL SACK OF SHIT, for using his radio show to loudly call for strengthening the WoD and incarcerating drug users while he was whacked out of his mind on OxyContin.

Apparently, a cushy rehab resort is what you need when you are a conservative radio host hooked on "hillbilly heroin", but ordinary folks should be LOCKED UP if they use drugs.

As far as bashing Dubya for being a flaming moron, his level of intelligence (or lack thereof) is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to his ability to perform his duties as appointed president. Being deemed a Yale "graduate" despite not achieving the grades required of anybody else to even be accepted opens him up to legitimate criticism, as well.

OTOH, Michael Moore's weight or physical appearance has absolutely NO BEARING on his ability as a filmmaker, or on the veracity of the facts he presents.

 

And nobody's "attacking" Moore for being fat, they're attacking ME for saying he's fat. And there have definitely been people who criticize Rush for being a worthless drug addict, but that has nothing to do with his message. In the same respect, why should it be wrong to criticize Michael Moore for being fat, since your weight is easier to control than dependency on prescription drugs.

So everyone who abuses prescription drugs goes to prison right?

Believe it or not, Dubya is probably smarter than both of us. Just because he didn't graduate Yale, dosen't make someone a "flamig moron" (he shouldn't have been at Yale in the first place, but that's for a different thread). It dosen't open him up for legitimate criticism any more or less than being a biased bypocrite posing as a "truth-bringer" opens up Moore for criticism.

Except when he goes on TV to talk about America's problem with overconsumption, and how "all of us are responsible and should be ashamed," all the while he consumes more than any two of us put together, lives in a mansion that requires much more energy, fuel, power, and whatever to run then my shitty apartment, and has multiple cars while I'm stuck on the subway. And I am supposed to be guilty of overconsumption? Talk about a fucking hypocrite. He's more responsible for the "oil crisis" than a good number of the people who go to see his movie are.

 

Your absolutely right. I was in a friends room one time watching the news about Rush's Drug Addiction, and the kid turned around and said "haha, what a fucking drug addict" then turned around and made us both a line. Liberal Drug users are probably the first to complain about his drug addiction, which is complete hypocrisy, I NEVER judged him on the fact he was a drug addict OTHER then the fact that Rush was quoted saying "All addicts should rot in prison because they are breaking the law" and then he turns around and abuses a prescription painkiller. Also, i NEVER judged Bush on his speaking, i believe judging him on his Failed Policies is easier anyway, and more relavent. But the Truth is, I don't look at michael moore any different than i do Bill O' Reilly, or Sean Hannity, Except a liberal. He is slandered and Bias about his opinion (which he admits) and so are Bill o' Reilly and Sean Hannity (Who Don't Admist it). But when i Turn on the Media, my brain is filled up with brainwashing, right wing, bullshit from Fox News and ABC and NBC, with Journalists too afraid to ask real questions because The Republican Owners of their Channel Don't want questions asked. I say it's about time that someone came out and made a movie like Farenheit 9/11, which is completely Bias to the left, because now i can go and watch the News on TV, and see Farenheit 9/11 and find a median out of it, and formulate my own opinion, instead of just being fed the "truth" on The TV Media.

Just my Two Cents

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

First off I'll say I see Max's point, I don't think it's "wrong" to jab at Moore's failings anymore than it is to rip on any other political figure's personal failings, I think everyone's fair game. That said....

Well, Rush's drug addiction does have some bearing on his message, as he's been a very vocal supporter of the war on drugs and tough drug laws... he's a flaming hypocrite.

I believe he was just repeating what Rush's opinion tends to be on drug abusers.

Heh, I used to think Bush wasn't completely stupid, but he's raised my doubts as the years went by. To be fair, I believe he's at least smarter than what most people give him credit for (if that's anything to boast of). At any rate, I think by the standards of intelligence that we should expect of the presidency, Bush is pretty damn well sub-par.

Point taken.

 

If we applied Rush's OWN POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, they certainly would.

Now, If I had MY way, NOBODY would be locked up for using drugs, even Hypocritical right-wing talk show hosts....

Speak for yourself, Max....

When did he do that? I always associated Moore with anti-globalization and corporate accountability issues than leading a crusade against obesity and overconsumption.

 

Y'inz = same as y'all / you guys.

But I agree it makes NO sense. Y'all makes Sense. You. All . Y'all.

Y'inz is short for...what??? You, ins????

makes no sense. It's a hillbilly thing.

and I've only said YEEE HAAW honestly once in my life so I'm not too bad of a hillybilly.

But once somebody told me not to say "Bugger off" because it's not American. I was like fine I'll be a good American and say "Fuck off" ??? Makes no bloody sense.

haw haw haw... but no really, I admit, once I made a joke about Bush because he said the word "gooder" , instead of "better" . If this is just his accent... (forgive me for not kowing, I've never really been out of hillbilly country!) then I'm sorry. But if it is just his intelegence (look at me talking about intellegence i cant even spell it...wooops...thats why im not the president!) if it was just his intellegence than i was justified in laughing at him.

Ahhhh... but you may all ignore me. I spurt shite at random moments.. I fear this may be one of them....

~~~Peace~~~

 

Person above? You from DA BURGH, cause that's the only place i've ever heard y'inz before. n'at.

 

yeppers, I'm a Pittsburgh girl.... ya i got the whole hillybilly / white trash family thing going down... it's kinda fun. they're odd, but nice people. And very independant, like they can grow and hunt for themselves and everything.


Okays yinz im from the burgh.

hee hee. It's a boring town.... but where else do you hear "y'inz" ??


~~~peace~~~

 

Hey cool, I've just started going to Pitt for college last year. I hardly ever encountered the inner 'Burgh accent, it seems to be dying out like the one in Chicago.

 

heh, yah, the only person I ever heard with a strong Pittsburgese accent was my little old lady cafeteria worker in the third grade.... boy she was a trip. We all loved her...


Anyways, I've heard Pitt is a nice campus, a lot of kids here go to Pitt. I hope you're enjoying it! There ain't too many hillybillys out that way... so don't be scared

~~~peace~~~

 

Bush did graduate from Yale, but with mediocre grades. Of course, it is Yale, so I suspect it would be hard to maintain very good grades there. Im worried about maintaing good grades at UVA for heaven's sake, where I'll be in 9 weeks.

 

Ah, so did I, but don't worry yourself too much, you won't be bombarded from the get go. Unless maybe if you're going into engineering... then prepare for a year of hell, judging from the misery of my engineer friends over the past year.

 

No thank god, I'm majoring in Poltical Science and minoring in International Relations.