Love psychedelics

Hello fellow trippers, i love psychedelics when walls began to move trees hug me with arms eyes all over the place the feelings of INSANITY i love it. Is it wrong to love it soo much would you consider this as a hedonistic pursuit of happines? The purpose is to expand our mind with the experience, enlightment if used properly but one side of me knows that ONE of the main reasons is that i simply LIKE THEM:2thumbsup: Let's discuss

 

Nothing wrong with enjoying your trip. What have you tried?

 

I also just love the feeling. I need to watch out to not get addicted to it, because I could trade all my sober life just to be on psychedelics.

 

Addicted to psychedlics???
I though it was psychedelics help with addictes.

 

They can help. But you can be mentally addicted to anything.

 

It's good to have that perspective I think. There can be an element of hedonism to Psychedelics and as long as you maintain a level of respect towards them, then I think it's ok to have fun on them. Your perspective seems fairly balanced in recognizing that these plants/chemicals do have mind expanding qualities, but it seems like you just want to trip out sometimes. At least you aren't making any false justifications for why you use Psychedelics.

The topic made me think about A passage from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas...

I think it's fair to say now that Thompson may have miscalculated too far the other direction in not giving the ideas of Leary enough credit as Thompson wrote this at the declining era of the hippie movement. It's fairly evident now that Psychedelics are flourishing in many regards with their "consciousness expanding" qualities but nonetheless its a passage that resonates with me.

 

“We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel."

This delivers a GREAT contribution to this thread

 

Interesting post GB.
Perhaps he did. When I look at the state of things now, and the bit that I'm connected with the psychedelic community, I wouldn't say that psychedelics are flourishing, perhaps the 'hippy culture', those that strive for the values of that age are around, hangin in there and keeping the spirit alive... I saw acres of it at the Burn.
But at his core, Thompson was a realist, a deeply cynical man that put words to a lot of our frustrations. Frustrations with politics and our leaders, with promises of a utopia like Leary espoused, with the ultimate futility of it all.
He wrote his heart out talking to US... showing us the ugly underbelly of "The American Dream".
Thompsons critique of Leary came from hindsight. And I think it is essentially dead on. Leary became delusional. Not unlike posts you see here and other forums... the wide eyed first time tripper that has SEEN THE LIGHT and wants to turn on the world. Leary insisted till the end that it could happen.
Leary became delusional, Thompson became disallusioned.

 

Oh yah, Thompson became so disillusioned he decided to put a bullet through his own head.

I agree that Leary went overboard on a 'power trip' with his message, particularly when he started getting targeted and arrested a few times by authority figures but nonetheless aspects of his message have permeated into cyber culture, rave culture, burner culture, current psychedelic culture, and psychedelic therapy. Thompson's passage that I quoted seems to lack the foresight that these subsequent waves would follow.

 

Oh no, don't get me wrong Bud... massive props to Leary and his contributions to the world. Not just in understanding of psychedelics and ways in which to use them for betterment but also in spreading "the message".
I wasn't trying to knock him in that regard, only in the way that he might have been overly optimistic in how successful he would be in spreading that message.

I do though think you have Hunters suicide all wrong. If it was all cynicism, he would have done it at an earlier age.
He was dying and choose that way to go out rather than a long slow painful crawl to the grave.

 

LOL! Interesting you could extrapolate so much from my quote since basically all I stated was that he offed himself. I'm sure he could have picked a more opportune moment rather then when his kids were visiting.

 

Sick and dying isn't the same as disillusioned.

Please don't denigrate HTS, buddy. :argue:


(sorry for the thread hijack)

 

As you have a tendency to do, Completely misconstruing the argument.

Didn't denigrate him at all initially unlike you did Leary, just disagree with him on parts of that passage. No worries tho, HST permeates through various mediums as well today.

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Set me straight then? I'm missing something here...
He didn't off himself as I understand due to cynicism, he knew he was dying and choose to go out that way. As for timing, there was always people coming and going at the Owl Farm. He never had time alone.

Well this was how I started out

I was kinda on page with ya. Certainly wasn't deliberately denigrating Leary, and my accusing you of that with HST was tongue-in-cheek, maybe that didn't come across.

Um, ok.

 

"No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun – for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax – This won’t hurt."

I think it was Ralph Steedman who said that Thompson once told him that "He'd feel really trapped if he didn't know that he could commit suicide at any time" or something like that.

 

Ya. And?

 

Different facets of the same flawed jewel. :love:

 

Just offering another side to it, problem?

 

suicide is just telling god fuck you I quit...

 

The true difference between a drug and a medicine is the dosage.
Some people arent ready at a young age and some are
Some need it some dont
Generalizing who should take LSD and who shouldnt is impossible man

In my opinion and you take a look at yourself and you KNOW who you are and are completely confident in that, go ahead and drop a couple tabs.