Money?

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by Avocado Noni, Feb 15, 2007.

  1. Avocado Noni

    Avocado Noni Member

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    What do you all think of money? Love it, hate it, a little of both???

    Do you make a lot of it, or any of it? If so, what do you do for it?

    Thanks :)
    Avocado
     
  2. lazysunbird

    lazysunbird Member

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    Don't like it, don't have much, unfortunetly you need it.
     
  3. supergeek

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    I am not a big fan of money... I think it is the root of all evil. However, we need it to survive. So I work and try to acquire as much as I can waiting tables. But I am not a materialistic person. I love finding awesome things and buying them. But, I love giving my money away to others. I like buying stuff for other people, or just giving stuff away... Random acts of kindness are kinda my favorite things. :)

    So while I think it is the root of all evil, I think it is only what you put into it.
     
  4. DancerAnnie

    DancerAnnie Resident Beach Bum

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    I hate it...


    There are so many other more efficient ways to trade goods...other than money...which is just a piece of paper or a few pieces of metal...

    All backed up by...what? Gold? Just because we put some stupid value on it...silly, really.
     
  5. sitareric

    sitareric Banned

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    I agree with you.. pretty much the analysis i come up with..

    I think maybe we should incorporate other forms of trade.. but still use some bills..

    i think that would reflect a healthier earth.. i think the earth with eventually get sick of us and shake us off like a wet dog..

    I dont now but.. this whole system is wierd.. it has to change
     
  6. SunFree

    SunFree Member

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    Hmm. I plan on being rich at some point in the future, simply so I can throw lavish, extravagant parties with hot tubs full of jello, limitless toilet paper, and wall to wall pillows on the floor for all the kids I have spent so many nights in dirty basements, rooftops and riverbeds with. But I will lose it all in a bad gamble and retire to my raft, from which I will sail all the seas of the world and befriend many a walrus, sailor and other strange beasts, down on their luck or looking for adventure.

    P.S. hey sitareric old friend.
     
  7. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    i think as a standardised system... it works.
     
  8. shine_crazydiamond

    shine_crazydiamond Member

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    AMEN brother!
     
  9. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    A little bit of both. I'm not making much though, I'm a student. But I'm aware of the fact that I don't have much to complain about since I have enough for living and a bit to spend.
     
  10. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    it's a trading coupon. we give hours of life energy for this (be that as work or craft, or even gambling, it represents TIME) and we use it to trade for other people's life energy in the form of goods and services.
    Money, per se, is a neutral, neither good or bad, like the mechanics of a computer.
    is is desire that tends to be bad for people when it comes to these trading coupons.
     
  11. BraveSirRubin

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    I don't like it, but this world is doomed without it... even though seeking this world regress a couple of thousand years would not bother me too much.
     
  12. badmoonrising11

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    i dont have any money whatsoever, but our system of money works and if it wasnt for it, we would totally be screwed, even though money is evil.
     
  13. neponiatka

    neponiatka Senior Member

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    i have to think of money
    yet i hate it
    but it makes me love it at times...
    still money is evil
    but i see no alternative to it
     
  14. Vortac

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    This world.. well, with -these- people, I don't know if simply removing money would improve anything. If the greed and the powerhunger remains, oppression will occur anyway.

    But _A_ world.. does not need money. Once a person has enough money to fulfill his basic needs, the extra money will be more trouble than it's worth. Too much money chains the spirit and stops it from growing. Look at really rich people - do they look harmonious and joyful, curious like a child and loving flowers and stars and all the wonders this universe consists of? They have no time or energy to spare for the important - they have to devote all their time and energy to guard, protect and invest their money - to satisfy the eternal greed that grows with the money amount they possess.

    When I look at photos or videos of the richest people on this world, I see a bunch of disturbed, I could almost say psychotic, paranoid and scared power-hungry people who don't see past their own greed and who have totally been spiritually chained by their so-called 'wealth'.

    I pity those people, poor, cursed persons. And yet so many others want to share their fate, without having ANY idea what vast amounts of money will actually do to a person. I am so glad I am free of extra money, I try to trust the Universe to provide me with everything I need, so I only concentrate on money when it's somehow 'essential' and then forget all about it and just direct my attention to actually important stuff.

    Now, lack of money would be no problem - if everything on this planet wasn't intimately tied to it. This system is so corrupted, so rotten that if a person doesn't possess (which is an artificial and alienating abstraction to manifest anyway) enough human-made artificial papers, pieces of some metal with some engravings on it or/and have some microchip memory registers 0's and 1's in certain order - or some bank's computer's hard drives and memories 0's and 1's in a certain order- they can starve to death quite easily.

    I mean, does nobody else see the insanity of this system? Money itself wouldn't necessarily NEED to be anything evil, it could be a useful phase in any civilization's evolution history - but just a passing PHASE until the civilization evolves to what I consider a 'normal society'. Meaning there is free hugs, free love and free joy for everyone, and the people provide for the whole - which provides for everyone the basic needs .. in where possessions are not needed in such a neurotic way they now seem to be needed ... I mean, if I have a hammer that I don't need, someone could just take it from me without anyone thinking anything odd about it.

    To us it would be stealing - a crime, a sin! To some people living in a society I would call 'normal', perhaps the fact that some countries *coughUSAcough* actually burn the extra crop and seeds and other foods or let them rot in storages while people on the other side of the planet are dying out of starvation because they don't have those things would be considered a crime, a sin, a deep insult towards life and the universe, humanity and love.

    I am a bit disappointed about this "well, money might not be all good but I kinda love it anyway"-attitude that this thread seems to radiate ... I mean, in a regular forum, this would be full of "money is greatest thing in the world, the whole universe needs it desperately and if it ever disappeared, this whole multi-dimensional complex vast universe would just collapse, implode and cease to exist"-type of messages and if somoene dares to say that money might not be all ok, he would be verbally crucified, so in this sense I am of course glad of the relative sanity of this thread also ..

    But maybe I am an eternal optimist, wishing to find people who think/see/understand things like I do myself.

    Anyways, these are my thoughts of money and this thread. Hmm, I am not sure if I answered thoroughly so I'll try to clarify my personal 'relationship' with money.

    I wish I didn't have to use it, this feeling is sometimes very intense and doesn't totally disappear usually in any situation where money is involved. It feels like having to use poo-vomit daily - disgusting, repulsive and very very yucky. So that's kinda the feeling I have about it when I have to use it and whenever I think that I really have to use that crap .. siigh. But I try to use it as a mandatory disgusting tool .. I know that _I_ don't need it, but I choose to use it because the alternatives would require too much of me and simply this is the easiest and only way I have the energy or strenght for right now.

    If there was any way that I would see I don't have to use money, then I wouldn't.

    So all in all, I try to keep a neutral attitude about this thing since I can't really affect it, I can only try to modify the money flow in some kind of form that I can live with.

    Someone said a coin has two sides - the other side says 'usefulness' and the other side says 'greed'. I guess it's up to the user which side he/she/it keeps up..

    (I wonder if the same will applied to the microchip - soon we will live in a cashless society..Would that quote then go something like .. "The other side of the chip says 00100111 and the other says 110110011.." )

    - Vortac
     
  15. Grim

    Grim Wandering Wonderer

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    I detest it, and the concepts behind it, and what it makes of people...

    but I'm more attached to it than I'd care to admit, unfortunately...
     
  16. Vortac

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    I envy some people's talent of explaining the point in just a few words in a compact and informative way. That's probably essentially what I was trying to convey too, hehe. Though I have to admit I am relatively free of money's corruptive control when I look around and see the euro signs in the eyes of the people around me.

    - Vortac
     
  17. iloveu

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    i hate it..but unfortunately we cant be without it..or can we??modern world doesnt
    really allow us..
     
  18. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    perhaps Avocado is looking to see if we can dream of options.

    I chose to redefine it in my world.
    Sure I have to cough up X amt to the landlord and utilities, and some for food or medical care, but the rest is totally under my control. So I "spent" my time "earning these coupons." how will I then "spend my time?"
    Where do I want to disperse that energy?
    Rethinking this on a personal scale leads to rethinking it on a wider scale.

    (for more on this, and the concept, see "Your money or your Life" by Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin)
     
  19. crud3w4re

    crud3w4re I like Grunge.

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    I think that money sucks, but it makes the world go around. I am completely powerless to do anything about it... Sorry.
     
  20. knotdirty

    knotdirty Over the Rainbow

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    I like money. There, I've said it. I like having it, I like spending it.

    The problem, I think, is how we earn our money. That's what makes people love or hate it. I'd hate it too if I had to do something I hated in exchange for the stuff.
     

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