My Stoned Ramblings :)

I wrote this 15 minutes after I smoked a bowl:

I think that the laws and boundries of imagination are only limited to the perception of the
human itself. Imaginatory scenes can range from abstract and vague, to vibrant, lucid
dreams. Imagine what we could do if we could learn to unlock the secret doors of our mind to
perception. We could do anyhting, we could have a daydream so real we thought we were there.
One could become so lost in his imagination that he may go into an almost comatose like
state where he actually believes he is living this made up, second life. I believe that if
we just opened our minds and our hearts to things otherwordly, to things of concept that
seem wildly unreal, and will our selves to mind these things as reality, they will in turn
become reality, at least to your self. But then the problem could arise of insanity, getting
yourself stuck and blurred between reality, and our imagination. Not knowing what is real
and not could drive one mad. But imagine the vast amounts of knowledge and wisdom you could gain from these "doors", is it worth the cost?

Peace,
EuphoricMelodies

 

woah...big words

 

dude, i used to think this alot when i was your age.
be wise about it all. you can't of course day dream to the extent u desrcibed unless you want to actively create some sort of psychosis state! which, you could do, if you tried enough. just the fact that one can think such deep thoughts is creating a possibility. see the guy who said who big words, will never be able to do this (even if it really is jsut a matter of FOOLING YOURSELF).
let me be very guru-ish sounding when i say, YOU have already located the door because of what you said and thought....finding the key, unlocking it, and walking thru is up to you....whether u choose the leave the door ajar as you explore and then come out and shut it OR just close it behind u and never come back is a different issue.... just remember, you don't have a skeleton key....
whoa and i'm not even HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Thanks,

I also think that just because you walk through the doors, doesn't mean your insane, your just opening up your options, able to interpret things in ways others can't, which can almost always be a good thing. Marijuana has really allowed me to expand my mind and because of it I do believe it's made me a better person. The doors of perception is a very odd thing, but a very wonderous thing, full of posibilities.

 

see this is what i was trying to figure out... marijuana doesn't do this to everyone...

 

its done ti to me.


but you need to remember thigns, as yazzi said. this state you talk of, IS real in an uncrontrolled state. its called schizophrenia, and is a very real and very sad thing. poeple have gone mad with their imagination.
however, the door can be ratinoalised by replacing it with 'drugs'. drugs get rid of the concepual boundries you tlak of. thats WHY you trip when you take acid, because your imagination takes over and takes over from your rational mind.

but one thing that everyoen forgets. it is impossible to comprehend the incomprehensible. you cannot imagine thgins you have not experienced. it is simply impossible, despite what poeple claim. in the same way, it is impossible to comprehend death, and that leads to the whole path about the reason and root of all religions yadi yada i could and maybe will even write a thesis when im old. you cannot imagine colours outisde of your visible colour spectrum. you may think you are, when on drugs, but your not really. you can only imagine things youve experienced. when you think your imagining or feeling something youve not before, your brain is actually taking fragments of all your other experiences that you think are similar and making the illusion.

 

I'm schizophrenic, it runs in my family

Edit: MILDLY schizophrenic

 

Here is something for you to think about. What if someone was born deaf, blind and completely paralyzed and had no sense of smell. All they could do is think. He could speak but of course would not learn how. Now what type of things would this person think about since he has never experienced anything outside of his own mind so the possibilities are endless. Now what if at age 30 this guy was given hits of weed. What would happen to these thoughts, would all thoughts after the weed has worn off be altered? The weed would be a new experience. When your life exists solely in your own mind, something like this could make a big change. Now if this person did occasionally make noises, each time they did they were given hits of weed. Would this person start making lots of noise to get more weed or would they get silent. I know that is more dependent on whether the person likes it or not.

 

they wouldnt allow someone like that to live. there is no issue there. that sort of person wouldnt have a functioning mind it would jsut be an organism that breathed (assuming te paralasis didnt cover this).

 

if it grew to 30 it would only be in a lab. but anyway no one can be born like that and still survive, i dont think tis possible. in fact if that person was born, theyd jsut think it was dead or in a coma and wouldnt waste time on it.

 

yup, u get it. when i was 16 i called people like us "chosen ones" hahahahhaha. anyway, you CAN comprehend what you have never experienced but as you say there are still INFINITY amount of the things that are incomprehensible. our imaginations are our limits.
its actually hard to drive urself insane the way we speak of too ye know?
you can trick yurself into thinking that you are thinking a certain way but thats all it is, an illusion. the human brain is really fascinating and capable of doing such astounding things. if only we could understand it more....
which leads me to jim morrison.... a "chosen one".... he knew man...boy he KNEW. ok ok so he was pretty fucked on acid all the time, but he understood the DOORS yo!!!!!
hahahah. this would sound so insane and frivilous to a realist. which BTW i AM one, but not an arrogant one and i leave room for possibility. much much much possibility.

 

High everybody

 

well i still dont beleive it is posible to imagine (correctly, ie, for anyone can 'imagine' anything) somethig they have not experienced.


when i say comprehend i mean.. well say in teh example of colour, i do not beleive it is physically possible to imagine in your head (and therefor project visually in your mind) any colour that is outside of our visible spectrum.
not comprehend in the understanding and respecting sense.
jsut wanted to make that more clear, even if you did understand waht i meant.

 

LOL. Who brought the stoned chic?^^^^

 

I brough that stoned chick

 

yeah i totally get what yur saying but it is possible to argue with what ur saying because of the language you use. u see, there are many things i have not EXPERIENCED but i can imagine what it might be like simply because i can.
you are talking, not of things we have not experienced but HEARD/SEEN of etc, like shit that is NON existent. yeh!?!?!

 

yer definitions do get in teh way of discussions, but i do not think you can trully imagine .. look ill make an example thats easy to nuderstand


if you have a colour blind person who cant see .. reds. ok well we all know waht red looks like right. but he doesnt. if you explained it to him and waht it was like, he would not be able to, and if he says he does, he is imagining a colour that is in his visible spectrum that resembles the colour the msot, and would only say that he actually does imagine red so as not to feel left out.

similarly, i think this plays a big role in empathy. if there is a person who has never been sad in their life, always has ben happy, in a nice priveleged family. this person may claim to be 'epmathetic' to children in teh third world. they can claim to 'understand' what the kdis are oging through and 'feel' their pain. they might get sad. (this is jsut an example, its not referring to anyone or any specific poeple)
however they cannot trully empathise because they havnt experienced the same sort of feelings. all they could do is do an 'emotional recal' (a very real thing, used in drama and acting) of sad and left out and hungry and wahtever feelgins theyve had in tehir life. no one can empathise something that they have not experienced themselves.

thats how my theory goes at least.

i hope we have a more level understanding now.

i dont beleive you can imagine whatever you think you are imagning, as it really is, only how you imagine it to be, which is based on your previous life experiences.


but witht the non existant things, death is a real thing, so are colours outside of our spectrum. your cordless phone emmits colours outside of our spectrum. so does your remote control. but we cannot imagine what tey look like ebcause they are not things that anyone can or will experience. if omething cannot be expreienced by a human, then it cannot under any cicumstances be imagined or seen or felt or heard, by a human.

remember i mean imagine as a correct, and accurate imagniation, not just imagnining like you would when you read harry potter or soemthing.

 

stonerbill, i know what yur saying. i used to think(still do in fact) that kinda stuff all the time. it is true the majority of people cannot imagine and comprehend things unless they have gone thru it before. yes. but that duznt apply to everything annnnndddd imagining and comprehending are very different things. but yeah ur right, thats fer sure.
there are many levels and layers and factors to topics like this and one must always remember that the things we speak of are often relative in their meaning n so on.
having said that, i would also like to point out that while we may think we know, simply because we have experienced it, this also has other implications....
u see? its all relative so it may be one way for one person and another way for another person. there is no ultimate TRUTH....except death.
and that is only because it is inevitable.

 

Wow, I'm glad to see such meaningful discussion. I never thought that this thread would amount to this.

 

Yeah, good stuff guys.


Basically, anyone can try to put themselves in the position of another (poor, homeless, depressed et. etc.) but unless you've physically lived the exact same thing that they are living, you can never fully comprehend what they are going through, although you can try, and what you want to 'imagine' is limitless, they're are no boundaries for the imagination!