National Identity Card Scheme

The national identity card scheme was in the Queen's speech today along with other security issues.

So if it became law would you carry one or would you risk a penalty and refuse?

 

The day the Queen lives in a tower block is the day I carry an ID card!

 

Haha ... The day I live in Buckingham Palace is the day I carry an ID card!

 

yeah why should i carry an id card? i don't like the thought of anyone who wants to know who i am just being able to find out. thats kind of not good.
just let them try
jaz

 

ID cards won't be comulsory to carry around with us, but if we want to renew our passports then we're going to have to submit ourselves to this scheme. Either we give up one set of civil liberties in being forced to get a card, or another in being forced to remain in the country. Moreover most of the country, for some bizarre reason, supports their introduction. There's not much chance of a civil disobedience campaign, all we can do is protest before they are introduced....

 

Yeah so am I, but I fear it may just be delaying the inevitable....

 

Hmmm, for me this ID card scheme seems to kind of represent a 'fear of the unaccounted', if you know what I mean. I'm suspicious of it certainly. Is it due to come into play by 2009? Because that's when my current passport expires so if the law is introduced any time after that point then cool, I'll just re-new my passport beforehand. However, like Mr. Pheonix said I'd just be delaying the inevitable and I'm not sure what long-term moves I would make to oppose the scheme.

 

Hmmm, I'm not impressed with the fact that we will have to pay for something that maybe compulsary to have either. I think if these cards are going to be introduced, then they should at least be free. The conservatives love the idea, surprise surprise.

 

you will be because their is a trigger in the bill to make it compulsory after a certain period.

Why is it no suprise that the you all are not looking forward to this..
I am sure pre pasport people moaned and groaned about 'liberties' being breached blah blah blah...now its no big deal. Open your wallet or purse and see what a multitude of diffrent 'Id's you have ???. I want this one to mean something and to do at least half of what it is designed to do.

 

conservatives love the idea..??? my ears must have heard wrong during Mr Howards little rant this afternoon..(gee whiz all that was funny).

 

Whether it's legally compulsory or not is irrelevant, I wouldn't get one. The fact that I'd be forced to in order to have a passport means that I don't even have a choice to disobey....

 

Disobey..what for.

 

Why is it no surprise that you are all for it?

It's a fundamental change in the relationship of the individual to the state. No longer is the state and the police force a function of society, society is now a function of the state. Before, the police were required to prove their right to probe into your affairs, now you are required to prove your right to exist.

It's a subtle distinction of principle but an important one nonetheless. Like the removal of haebeas corpus, jury trial and the presumption of innocence for "suspected terrorists" it is one more step in the abolition of personal liberty for all of us. Freedom is possibly the most important thing we have; any move on the part of a government to erode individual freedom is something to be extremely wary of.

The government and the police are there to serve me, I do not serve them.

 

Because it will sit in my wallet for the rest of my life and not trouble me in the slightest.

I can just about work out why you brought these issues into this conversation..but imho they are diffrent and seperate issues.I say i can just about because its making id cards overly 'political' and attaching one thing to another in the intention to make the connectiion that they have a connection ??? and somehow every other tuesday each person will be slammed in some govermental dark room and interogated for 24 hours with no sleep. This is not going to happen is it.

 

Yes the key words and phrases to look out for there would have been "like" and "one more step". In other words, a comparison of several distinct but related issues which represent encroachments of the civil liberties enshrined in our society. Not big on reading comprehension, Matthew?

 

Yes i am good at reading thanks.. Using 'key words' does not make what you say any more true...it merely tells me that you are a very clever paranoid human being.

 

Yes, the fact that there are innocent people being held without trial in Guantanamo Bay doesn't impact upon you personally either, does it? Well there's no smoke without fire, is there? Persecution of the jews? Well I'm not jewish, so...?

 

First they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Communists,
and I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not speak out.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

I'm not willing to find myself in a place where we are trying to fight a big brother state and getting rounded up en masse, however unlikely this may be. Every step towards this nightmare scenario must be resisted, before it is too late, not when it is too late....

 

This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

 

you can mock me in any other way you like ...but this is a bit low don't you think?.