Im too old for ceder bark clothing (Tulalip Tribes) and its a bit mean to send your woman away for that week she is on the rag and I dont want have to go kill another tribe for god knows why and the last time there were battles with cowboys and indians it turned out badly for them.
I do like the idea of Alder smoked salmon, yummy! I also like the idea of hangin around the fire, and the peace pipe.
instead of making steriotypical assumptions get to know your local tribal elders, the're real people, they don't bite, and if you're nice to them they might teach you a few things. of course if you just want to eat frybread and smoked salmon, and listen to some drumming and get out there and stomp arround and play 50-50, there's always pow wow/big times. interesting thing you should mention that. where i'm living in northern california, aborigeonal title has never been lawfully quited, which is leagalese for saying they still own it, because the treaties in which they were suposedly ceeding it, in exchange for being left alone and allowed to keep the odd little corner of it, where never ratified by the federal government. =^^= .../\...
Before the english and british invaded north america and colonized all the people it was "Native Land" ... havent you heard our national anthem cooloner?
move to Saskatchewan... its predicted that the First Nations population will outnumber that of the "white-ies" in something like 5 years. I don't care, but some folks around here really have their undies in a knot over it...
some people are ididots. tribal elders usualy aren't. i don't see what makes them think that's anything to worry about. i seriously doubt anyone would try to deport anyone because of their european or other non-northamerican ancestry even if lawful governance did revert to tribal custom. you might no longer be able to fence in what you aren't using or something like that. little green pieces of paper might not as often get away with murder and stuff like that. really hard to predict, but indiginous does NOT mean ignorance of tecnological reality. it simply means NONignorance of natural reality also. me, i'd love to see county and regeonal governments conform to tribal values learned from the land and the spirit of the land itself, instead of letting short sighted and indifferent to the well being of anyone and anything developers assess continue being kissed by the kind of local governments we have where i live here in california u.s.a. =^^= .../\...
The people here are worried about crime rates, murder rates... that kinda stuff. Statistically speaking, Saskatchewan's crime rates have risen in direct correlation to the rise in the First Nations population. Where are the bad areas of the city? Where the Natives live, of course. Open the paper... who is committing the crimes? The First Nations people. that is what the people here are worried about. I am not saying its right to be racially bias, but the facts and figures don't really hide the truth of the situation either. I am not painting everyone with the same brush... just pointing out what the people are concerned about. As for the Tribal Elders.... some of them are great leaders. Some only wanted the office so they could give the key jobs to their families and keep the money for themselves (as is the case in a reservation in SK that my Uncle works on). I would love to see our governments convert back to the Native way of seeing the world before "we" came and messed it all up.... but first the First Nations have to revert to seeing things the way they used to. Pretty hard for us to do it if they have all abandoned it.
i like a cool canyon waterfall and the power of clear thinking feel life with intelligence , all of life speaks
well a cultural value is one thing and an individual is another and the topic of this thread is pretty ambiguous as to what is being discussed. by tribal elders i wasn't refering to representatives of tribal governemtns, often artificialy created by nontribal dominant governments, but individuals traditionaly turned to for their wisdom and understanding as to how to go about doing something, because the're known to know how to do it. and all that INSTEAD of formalized heirarchy that is the bane of that eurochristercentric perspective. which incidently has nothing to do with today's europe but i mean that only in referance to the point of origen of the terrorist invasion of the western hemisphere that may have taken place sporadicly earlier didn't really get to rolling along until about 500 years ago. really what you're talking about with local crime problems and what i'm talking about here are apples and oranges. also i think maybe you could look a little deeper into the causes and dynamics of situations like that. =^^= .../\...
Oh, I've looked deeper... don't worry. Wrote University papers on the matter. I'm not one of the "indians are bad" people. I was just relating how things are CURRENTLY in my home province.... a place that actually happens to have a high Native popluation. Wasn't meaning to piss all over your Ideological parade... just telling you what some of the actual, real life problems that people, both non-Native and Native are facing in our, or rather, MY society. If you could find some "elders" like the ones you described, I would gladly listen to them. Unfortunatly, I've never really found any. Around here, the "old ways" have been completely abandoned, except for the occasional Pow-Wow, which they sell tickets for everyone to come a see.... it's no longer religion, it's a way to make money. My main point was this: The things that you love, that you want brought back... well... at least around here, no longer exist. Not saying that the "whitey" didn't have a large role in this, just saying its a sad fact.
then i feel truely sorry for your and their situation. where i live there are still elders, recognized by unanimous defacto consent, not 'tribal elections', of our small local indiginous cultures which have never individualy been officialy recognized by our federal or local 'authorities'. and they are mellow, cool and generaly relatively wise people. if you want to listen to something wonderful crazy and elders do occasionaly come by and have something to say on it, there is a broadcast on kvmr, our little local alternative radio station, on thursday mornings, from 10a to noon local time, i think you're one time zone east of us, were -8 gmt i think, pacific time zone. anyway you can catch kvmr live on the web and kvmr.org. the show is called dreamwalk and the co hosts are skip alan smith, nonindian who started it, and michael ben, who'se affiliation i forget but who became certified as a broadcaster just here within the last year or so. i knew some of the local people growing up going to school in colfax california in the 50s and 60s. most of whome i didn't even know or realize WERE native americans at the time. well i knew lilla proute was, and she's one of the local honored elders now. her an my mom used to get along just fine. there were a number of maidu people who worked for the railroad my dad worked for too. and then i've also met miwok elders down at tuolomi, at the yearly acorn festival they have down there one year, back in the 70s. i was with the baha'is then. as i was when i met the people at the reno sparks colony. i can tell you of many other positive direct contacts i have had. evern with kind of scarry people who have good reason to be. many possitive. very few negative. real people arn't always easy to get to know. not liking to make big deals about anything. and not being much of a people person myself, i haven't tried to keep up contacts much as perhaps i might be should have. i could go into long winded diatribes about why the conditions you describe exist. and i AM awaire, in many places that they do. but i think you've indicated a little bit that you may already know some of that too. =^^= .../\...
Native cultures are amazing and very interesting but many native people I encountered tend to be racist. But can you blame them?
yes, about as many as from any other kinds of culture. it's one thing to throw stones at your neighbors, it's quite another to go half way arround the planet to do so. the bloodletting may be over, but the paper genocide by the b.i.a. goes on. =^^= .../\...
As of this autumn the population of the USA will be about 300,000,000 people. The ecology of the land and the carrying capacity of the wild flora and fauna would not support a population of 1% of the above listed number. That means that in the process of getting back to the native life style we would absolutely decimate the natural ecology and kill off about 297,000,000 people in the process due to starvation. Grim statistics for an otherwise beatiful idea.
