Natural drugs better for you?

Okay, over the past 4 years I've experimented with numerous substances. The list includes: marijuana (eaten/smoked), hash, hash oil, opium, countless pharmaceuticals (percs, vics, oxycodone, hydrocodone, loricet, loritab, methadone, morphine, xanax, valium, adderall, ritalin, klonopin, rohybol, codeine, percodan, etc.), acid, mushrooms, molly, rolls, speed, dmt, coke (insuffelated/smoked), alcohol, caffeine pills, nitrous, tobacco, salvia, nutmeg, ghb, K, and a few others. But I've come to a point in my life where I'm realizing the negatives really out weigh the positives when it comes to consuming a majority of these drugs. I figure if I just stick to natural drugs which include: mushrooms(occasionally), pot, hash, opium (occasionally), mescaline (never tried it), and hash oil I would really be doing my body some justice. Now I know just because its natural that doesn't make it safe, but by cutting out all these synthetic and semi-synthetic drugs out of my drug diet am I really going to be healthier physically because of it? Or is it pointless and should I just enjoy myself? I'm curious to how much damage actually occurs because of habitual drug use and how a change in drugs consumed can affect people in a positive way?

 

Drugs aren't necessarily unhealthy, but every drug has it's pro's and con's which should be studied in-depth before delving into hardcore "psychonautics."

Synthetic chems are actually MUCH healthier for you than natural drugs, simply because you're only getting the active ingredient without all the potential toxins and such that they're distributed with in their raw form.

However, the problem with synthetics is that without all those toxins and the ease of consumption that people are much more likely to overdose.

It's not what drugs you use, it's how you use them, I imagine.

 

compare coca leaves with cocaine, or morphine with opium, or beer and wine with distilled alcohol.
its the concentration of the active ingredient that makes its hard on your body in my opinion.. and some drugs are just harder on your liver and other organs, of the ones i listed, the distilled alcohol is the most damaging in that sense.

 

Well, smoking anything is going to be bad for you, which kicks poppy, marijuana, and hash/hash oil. So now there is mescaline and mushrooms. The dangers of those is that you just might get the wrong mushroom or cacti.
Few drugs are totally healthy, they all have their faults(natural or not). The real key is moderation. If you stick to things that are moderately safe(weed,lsd,mushrooms,opium,mescaline, light alcohols, dmt...) are use them sparingly, it can be very healthy. Alot of pharms are very harmful, and it's really best to stay away. Just remember to research and use sparingly, and everything will go fine.

 

Exactly. Three alcoholic drinks a week (on average) is actually healthy for the heart, but drinking 12-24 beers a night everynight of the week (like I did for awhile), you'll suffer some extreme kidney and liver problems. You just have to weigh the pro's and con's of the drug in question and apply dosage accordingly.

 

if you want to be healthier, it depends on how much you consume already. if any one of those "un-natural" drugs is used a LOT, then you most likely should quit or seriously limit use of it. but the same goes for things like mushrooms, too. and remember, tobacco is "natural," too.

unless you're really addicted to these drugs or at least have the foundations that a drug problem could be built from, then you're not going to become that much physically healthier. you'd do much better to get healthier by ensuring your get some exercise of some sort almost every day, getting outside a lot, eating fresher, healthier foods with less meat in them and more fresh vegetable and fruit, stop drinking soda and limit your alcohol intake. if you smoke cigarettes, quitting will make you healthier, of course.

 

natural drugs???
you mean like herion or coke??? they are natural. its just the good stuff extracted from the plant.

and smoking weed every day is not good for you. common misconception. cmon, we all know that smoking cigarettes (tobacco is natural) isn't good.

natural don't mean anything, if you do drugs in moderation, and i don't mean only a couple times a week. you'll prolly be ok.

 

Well I am a vegetarian, and I do skateboard and do other physical activities very often. As for cigarettes I've pretty much quit though I may have an occasional one every now and then. Alcohol.. I consume probably a 12 pack maybe a little more over the course of a weekend. Marijuana unfortunatly multiple times daily, and I use a bong usually so I don't know if thats better, worse or doesn't matter. Opium, I may use a few times a month.. maybe 1g to 7g's usually 3.5 though. Hash/Hash oil, not often usually at festivals or concerts when its around though there was a period where I smoked every bowl with hash oil on it. And as for mushrooms I don't even do them monthly. But lets say its summer and I'm touring then I will end up doing them more often like 3 times a month or maybe more, but almost always low doses. Kava Kava is really the only other drug I consume besides occasional caffeine. So besides smoking pot, and opium I'm rather healthy right? What would you change? Also I've never tried mescaline, but would love to.

 

each drug is totally individual in it's health benifits or risks & that has FUCK ALL to do woith if it's natural or not - obviously somfink like shrooms has a long histi=ory of safe use that 2CE say hasn't but nature produces some incredibly dangerous drugs & there are much safer synth 1's - most drugs can b used safely - a lot depends on education care etc.

 

I have a thread debating this topic and debating weather or not 'drugs' that sprout from nature are in fact amazing windows into the mechanics of the universe... even origionally spawning concepts like religion. I firmly believe this the case, although there are some people who doubt the clock work intriciacy of nature...


Psychoactive Nature - Enthenogens - Devil's Candy or Flesh of the Gods?

A key to revalation, or a trick played on the helpless minds of teenage fools? The age old question.

-PsDX

 

Bullshit.

All you have to do is toss a stone to hit some fucked up abomination that larval humans refer to as progress.

Nature maintains a perfect balance... humans have the option to support that balance and acheive 'heaven on earth', or they can work aginst that balance and suffer the obvious present-day consequenses. EVERY-THING about the way the world is today, is a choice, conscious or unconscious, only a raving fool believes that "God" makes decisions fo us...

sHe just gives us all the 'nessacary tools' to do 'his bidding'. All of the 'problems of society', are a result of the shape of it's foundations.

All the proplems that exist in society are the result of the individual not understanding himself (on half the levels they exist on), so thus, that massive misunderstanding is projected outwards.

-PsDX

 

the whole natural vs. chemical is ridiculous if you ask me...there are natural plants that will completely destroy you, and there are amazing chemical. and visa-versa.

and like somone already mentioned with chemical drugs, there is only one chemical...not a plethera. take mushrooms and acid for example...your after one chem in mushrooms, yet there are many in there. and acid is solitary. so if you are one who thinks all teh chems are bad it would make more sence to go with lsd.

chemical isnt a synonym for unhealthy, everything is chemicals...we ourself are chemicals.

 

Synthetics are manuipulited by the hand of man(as is society)!


"Natural" 'drugs' ie mushrooms are subject to the balance and sublime colockwork intricicy of nature... they were created by the same 'maker' that made YOU, not by some human with test tubes and beakers that could not possibly truly understand what he is doing... even Shulgin... do you understand yet?

Does that mean synthetic chems are inherently evil? No. Duh... but you got to under stand you're 'playing with fire', just be careful and you won't get burned.

 

Poison Ivy, acetylsalicylic acid, digoxin, mercury, and rattlesnake venom are all natural chemicals that are toxic to human beings. Don't fool yourself. Nature is full of evil at every turn. So are synthetic drugs. I place my faith in pharmaceuticals, which are sometimes natural, often synthetic, but ALWAYS studied for safety and effectiveness. They also come with instructions for use. Common cabbage has over 300 carcinogenic compounds in it! (albeit, very low levels, but they are there nonetheless.

 

do you realize that mushrooms are more dangerous and unhealthy than lsd?

 

Oh my god don't even worry about it, these people who say yhey only do 'natural' drugs really confuse me... putting a chemical in your body that alters your state of mind is just that, some chemicals are more dangerous then others and that includes natural chemicals.

Dont let someones weird ass philosophical belifs confuse you on the issue, natural things are as likely to kill the hell outta you as anything else, probably more likely. Just because some people like nature they assume anything made syntheticlly is dangerous, but thats just a fallicy.

If you wanna see how safe 'natural' drugs are, take some belladonna. It'll get you really high... it'll also probably kill you.

in most 'natural' drugs there are hundreds or thousand of chemicals, in a synthetic drug there is one.

All drugs are poisons, and there is no better or worse, its all about responsible usage. Everything in moderation, nature doesn't understand what good for you, you can. Drug wisely.

 

Just answer me one question. Are research chemicals safer than natural drugs? Man, I just don't think so! Are you sure those chemicals were made just for us to trip?

 

BTW, remember one BIG detail! :

Natural drugs taste SO MUCH betteeeeer... come on, fuck those pills! Pick ya pipe and go smoke some opium or tobacco. Than tell me wich you like the most, that pill, or a good aromatic taste who makes smoking a true pleasure. ^^

 

^^^im not really sure how to respond to your arguments....one cant say natural drugs are safer than research chemical or vise versa because both catagories contain a plethera of drugs...some being alot more dangerous than others.


as for the taste, again there are many natural drugs, and many have a taste worse than anything iv ever tried... but sure, i enjoy me a good dank bowl...tastes mighty fine

 

i don't think natural means shit.

but for those that think it does, and prolly diss the hell out of herion, opium is just as bad, if you smoke some REAL opium, which i know few people that ever have, i mean i've smoked the black tar shit and it was real, but not that strong, if you get the shit they smoke in opium dens over in the middle east, that shit is HIGHLY addictive, just like herion, and it can kill you.
i got nothing against anyone doing anything, i've had some tough battles with herion, i just got out of rehab for the shit, i was in 28 days, i was out 3 hours and did some. my point is that opium isn't ok just cuz its natural, you're just as well off doing dope. its cheaper.