New Hare Krsna website with Prabhupada in the center

i prefer the traditional brijabhasi understanding that he is just the most exquisite and charming flute player

but it seems then you do agree with me, that while we cannot judge Krishna due to our not being able to resist him, he didn't abide by conventional vedic morality to the point that albeit for that he was Krishna, his actions were considered immoral

the gopis went to Krishna because they were unable to resist him... "should"... they were and are no "shoulds" in relation to Krishna

this is a fundementalist vedic conception of modern vaishnava firebrand as it is folks... it is true in a subjective sense only if one's orientation to mythic theology be one of Krishna bhakti

 

You would never find any mention of sexual acts in any scripture, no matter what you hear. Read for yourself.

Also rememeber at the time of Rasa leela he was barely 12 years old, hardly an age were it would seen carnal to dance with him.

 

I wish water would wash away
this my day of shame.

As I climbed the steps
to the Jamuna bank,
my skin was glistening
through my thin, wet clothes
and all my limbs
were open to view
when Krishna descended upon me.
I tried to cover
the curves of my thighs
with my hair by cowering down.
He fixed his gaze upon my breasts
but I turned my back on him.
And Krishna, unyielding, smiled at me
as I helplessly struggled
to hide myself.



vidyApati retorts: You silly girl,
Why didn't you rush to the river again?




copied from Songs of Krishna, trans. Deben Bhattacharya

 

achoo,

http://www.liveindia.com/khajuraho/

 

Molly the Hippy, don't try to dwell into matters you don't understand. Krishna IS the personification of Morality. Morality doesnot exist with out him. You won't understand what Bhagavatham says with out accepting krishna to be the supreme, but you won't , well, you really should not dwell in to matters you don't understand.

 

Bullshit.
Humanists are very moral, and have arguably achieved far more for human rights than the religious so called moralists. A purely secular morality is quite possible. And can often be more objective.

 

Also - the title of this thred is typical of ISCKON- surely on a Krishna website Krishna should be at the centre, not a racist, mysononistic flat-earther like SP.

 

am not quite sure where you got it that i don't accept harry krishna as supreme as i do but the point about krishna's unethical behavior is a good one and even asked in the srimad bhagavatam to sukadeva by pariksit,

“Well, let me take it that Krishna
had nothing to achieve, because He is always
self-fulfilled. But what he did does not appear to be
ethical, from any worldly angle. Why, then, did he do
that? Should He not set the right example?” (X-33 – 27 to
29).

 

Did you bother reading the answer?

 

Morality does not exist without God, because morality is illumined by consciousness.

 

Very good point. Especially ironic when you consider that SP called the Ramakrishna mission "rascals" for having idols of Sri Ramakrishna, Sharada Devi, and Vivekananda.

 

I see. That must be why under Islam which believes in God as source of marality it's ok to chop off the hand of a thief, the head of a murderer, or drop 3 tons of stone from the bucket of a JCB onto the head of an adulterous woman, while here in secular old Europe, we tag them , or put them on probation.

 

Ha ha yes - the laugh because we disagree on one point and agree on another. I do love you Bhaskar. You are one of a very few who keep me posting on these forums.

 

His point is well taken that the HKs are well known for their antics...

 

I found an amusing thing on the website - on the home page, the Hare Krishna mahamantra is written wrong (It is Hare Rama....Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, not Hare Krishna... Rama Rama Hare Hare).

Also, in their exhaustive and boastful list of Prabhupada's achievements, there are many factual errors (he was not the first to have an ashram for brahmacharinis - Swami Sivananda for one was doing this decades before).

 

God is the Source of Morality, so it is against God to chop off someone's hand because it is against morality. God is clear on this, he does not like violence- thats why vegetarianism is an ideal lifestyle.

 

Calling some one names is just wrong, especially when you have never even met the person physically- especially prabhupada. You see, it is easy to see who the fools are, once they start having conversations or start talking, however that is not the case when one reads a book...because what one understands from such a reading first goes through the mirror of his own mind... and the mind is never crystal clear and the author is not always present to clear up any of the doubts that the reader might have. So have some respect Bhaskar and BlackBillBlake!

Its funny the way we obsess about things that we are supposed to ignore ha!.

 

heh, we are even ready to obsessively criticize it based on our own mental formations, when the reality might be far from it.

 

errr this is the fourth post from me in a row but...

Bhaskar, did you ever try saying Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare as a japa over and over again?

After a while, do you feel that Hare krishna part comes after the Hare Rama part or before the Hare Rama part?

 

I have heard it both ways...but you are right...they just melt together after awhile...no beginning and no end.... just joyful bliss...beautiful names....perhaps that's not so ironic heheh...