New study - cannabis increases chance of psychosis

They wouldn't let me post this in marijuana news, for some reason or other. I guess only positive feel-good news is allowed.

Anyway, here's a negative study about marijuana. Does it alter your opinions about marijuana use? Would any scientific study alter your opinions, and if so, what?

I'm not sure myself. I haven't read the full article but it seems that the problem with studies like these is causation. Does cannabis really hasten the onset of psychosis, or could it be that psychosis-prone people more often turn to cannabis use?

And what is the definition of psychosis we're using here? The medical definition of illness often relies on determining what is normal for most people, but in a messed up world, a sane perspective may very well be seen as a psychotic one.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/08/3132834.htm?section=justin

 

You need to understand the distinction between causation and correlation.

The studies have proven a correlation between the two (one variable is linked with another) but it even says directly in the article 'the causal relationship is still unclear.'

Marijuana is a powerful psychoactive drug, and as far as illicit substances go there is an extremely laxed attitude towards its risk, which gives some the green light and produces habitual marijuana use. I think some other variables to consider though is if they are using other drugs as well and frequency of use. I don't think a little, or even a good amount of marijuana consumption is all that bad but I certainly don't think its a harmless drug.

 

marijuana a gateway drug to harder stuff, causin phsycosis and impeeding memory and effecting the brain through prolonged use and sometimes abuse, what more can i say.

 

Did you read my post? If you did, you would have noticed my comment that the causation issue was a problem for me, and therefore you would not have logically stated that I confused it with correlation.

I agree the risks are understated in many areas. Comments like 'weed is harmless' don't help at all and often undermine efforts at legalization of the drug.

 

I apologize if I took your words out of context but regardless I think the distinction should be noted for discussion on the topic. I say this because of the obvious fact that Marijuana is an illegal substance in many countries and testing for causation usually requires a laboratory study. Even if marijuana were legal I don't think we will discover if its a causal link or not as it would be completely unethical to have a study that's purpose may lead the subjects to a psychotic mental state.

 

The last line of the article is this;

Any drug use can "bring out" mental disorders in a person who already has them. The fact is that the person would have eventually discovered their disorder with or without the drugs, the drugs simply bring it to the surface sooner.

This is old news and is not exclusive to cannabis.

 

I read this on a different link this morning and it goes into a little more detail, it was also pointed out that this study was just old studies being evaluated differently. It also stated that they don't plan on presenting it to the medical community but instead present to people asking older user's not to share with kids and they also hope to convince kids not to not smoke cannabis but to wait until they get older.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41464598/ns/health-mental_health/

 

i smoke and im so fucking crazy now! im a fucken psycho!!!!

 

And what will help with the efforts??.

Psychiatry is 1/2 ass guess work science..
Chemical imbalance” is not a scientific term and is meant to describe the putative underlying pathophysiology of major depressive disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders (eg, anxiety and psychoses). MDD is a heterogeneous disorder, which most likely has many different underlying pathophysiologies. While the pathophysiology of MDD has not been determined, there are hundreds of studies currently being conducted to discover and measure its cause(s). Research shows that MDD is most likely determined by a combination of complex environmental and genetic effects. These findings are expressed by abnormalities of genes, neurotransmitters, neuronal metabolism, gene transcription, inflammatory responses, hormones, brain structure, and brain function... Blah Blah Blah..

 

I'd imagine any psychedelic drug use including something more mild like weed is bound to increase the risk of psychosis. You take a person with a tenuous connection to reality as it is and further warp that link, the end result is not always good.

 

So I can blame my craziness on weed? Sweet.

 

Haha orison you're funny.

We've learned more about the human mind in the past 100 years, than the previous 5,000.

 

Whos is we've?.. Creator had built it already.

Human beings just want to learn more about manipulations of the mind, doubt its anything more than$$$$ .. Maybe Hitler would like modern psychiatry.. :afro:

The best thing about a Town under the influence of Ambien and Trazadone. They never see it coming..

:sunny: aint no sunshine when shes gone.....:sunny:

 

I am feeling a bit crazy...I better put this blunt down.

 

Hmmm... spin with an anti-pot agenda... let me see if I can reciprocate...

ASSUMING that there is something to this I'd say it's a good thing... symptoms onset earlier getting people into treatment quicker and a resolution to their problem earlier in life. I say this is a good thing... they should hand out out free marijuana on every street corner and people allowed to smoke until they develop symptoms.

 

They're not going to be helped though what 1/2 assed science is going to help a bunch of psychotic stoners.

 

Anybody who claims they have a "study" claiming pot makes one psychotic is just full of shit. That is just it to a tee.
If you give an already psycho some weed, chances are they will become more psycho...however, given just regular anxiety and a (basically) normal (what ever that means) person, weed is NOT going to make you crazy. snappin period.
Marijuana can help certain mental/emotional "problems"!

 

Alcohol can help emotional problems too. Anybody who claims they have a study from the US is certainly full of shit, who knows what kind of stuff goes down in other countries.

I do think lunaverse said it best in that there is nothing necessarily new in the article and like I said it will be impossible to prove causation. We can see how wound up people get over an attack of pot tho LOL! No one on either side would let a study like that be funded, nor should they.

I wish the issue could lead to some serious discussion, moreso than 'I smoke pot I'm going crazy' comments. I think the thing that separates pot from other drugs that can potentially exacerbate mental illness, is the completely laxed stance taken towards it. I use ecstasy occassionally and that's starting to get recognition for legitimate medical use as well but I'm constantly reminded by potheads and others of its negative effects, I've yet to really experience many long term negatives from it. I certainly have a better memory then when I was smoking pot.

 

I discover the White Out before I discovered cannabis.. I remember actually, how It somehow made me feel out of body and duality personality.. long before the evil marijauna .. and much easier to gain access to..

http://gencobb.com/believe/philosophy/duality-of-realityor-just-multiple-personality-disorder/ by McCobb

Its hard to imagine, the person I am when I look at the person that is living my life. It seems that we all share in this duality of reality. We live a life void of our own true personality. Hiding the true nature of our goals, as if we are afraid they are not good enough for the world around us, as if the world would not accept us for who we think we are or the image we would like to be .
I am writing under a different identity that has come to me in the same fashion as daydreaming different reality than other than my own, a person I would like to become. Some one that helps others find there way in this life. I would be a guide to truth I would become MC COBB.
As I relax and drift into this different personality, one very different than my society has created in me. I do not have the boundaries of my past or the limits of my foreseeable future. But some how I feel more like myself than ever.
Could we all be able to change our own future by simply becoming that which we want? Acting on our visions allows us this opportunity to change the world we live in. I believe we can change our world we live in and at the same time allowing others to create the hell they chose.
This may seem a negative thing to say, but everyone may not share your same reality. There is a different reality for everyone two people may see the same thing happen but walk away with different memories of the event and therefor create different experiences in the fabric of life. We are able to create any reality we want. But how do we explain that we seem to be living lives that we don’t want, dreaming of a different life for ourselves
Finding who you really are is very difficult. There are no quick 1,2,3,steps on this journey in becoming that which is your full potential .I did not create the reality of Generationcobbweb, It revealed itself in vision peaks of manic episodes in my head and I acted on those images.
By acting on visions in your mind I believe we co-create with God. Without our interaction in life, we seem to be lead to a place that seems to be shallow. A life that has no real purpose other than be someone’s slave.
Yes, we walk and talk to people every day, but we hide our images in our mind as if they did not mater to the world, creating a solitary confinement of the soul. We are a new generation and we proudly take our place in this life to help find truth wherever we may see it. We are the leaders of our days. Remember there are no coincidences in life The signs are all around us...

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querillabedlam, I must ask what kind of legitimate medical use could ecstasy possibly have or be recognized for?
Alcohol most certainly has it's use; but it is a known scientific fact that too much consumption can kill you. My ex- husband, dead from alcoholic related problems, would testify to that.