No doing salvia indoors again lol

yep just what the title said, i was gonna hit this salvia a few times tonight but im cancelling that to tomorow when i can be out in the open.

Reason being I just had a hit there just now and completely forgot where i was i thought i had been rolling forward on my bed like it was a conveyer belt then managed to jump of then i was walking around my room like had just finished a conversation with somebody and was getting ready to go somewhere.

My whole room seemed to be rolling forward like i was in a funny shaped hamster wheel and the only way was farward. Thats twice ive done it now and twice i've felt the strong urge to go somewhere so ive concluding that its not safe to do in my house at 12.50am just incase i do end up going somewhere. This would be fine if i had a sitter but i dont so im defo best doing this with a mate and probably outside in a feild where its safe to wonder lol

That concludes my salvia experiment for tonight lessons learned and all lol

 

If you're not going to have a trip sitter present, be extremely careful regardless of where you do it. Sounds like you got a small taste of what can happen during a breakthrough (though during a full breakthrough you won't recognize your room or surroundings AT ALL). Having the urge to get up and move around is common, but when you're completely dissociated from reality and your surroundings, the truth is you could really hurt yourself by falling or running into something. I would have flipped over my coffee table and busted my grill if my trip sitter didn't grab me and sit me back down because I literally did not see it there, I was "somewhere else" entirely. Please be careful.

 

It's not any safer outside Chris, all the same precautions should still take place. My first breakthrough was on a hill and wooo eeeeee feeling stuck on a hill at elevation above all the houses and stuff...ummm yeah it was intense. If you do it in a field I guess that's alright just make sure there's nothing you can trip over or if you drop the lighter nothing will catch on fire.

 

Yeh defo outside/inside whatever but for me i think a sitter is a must, if that hit was anymore intense who knows where i would have ended up (how far can you go in 7 minutes lol) anyway that has its dangers both outside and inside. I suppose i was kinda dumb not doing it without a sitter though at least i can say i've learned my lesson

 

Salvia is a pretty unique and out there trip huh?

 

yeh your no joking, i think its good in some sense of the word though i can defo see why it deserves respect, i would say i just want to try one really intense trip with this though i cant see me rushing to get it again. I dont think its so much pleasurable but its the bizarenness that appeals to my curiosity.

 

I'm certainly not going to be the one to attempt it and find out but I wonder if MAOI's extend the trip length. I've taken it with MDMA a few times, which I find better than the Salvia experience alone and the trip was extended to about twice the length that I normally experience it.

MDMA I believe has some minor MAOI properties but I'm wondering if certain MAOI's or other chemicals would extend the length.

 

Well stated Chris.

 

What a fascinating idea/experiment. i found this with like ZERO effort at erowid: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_info.shtml. i'll bet there's more.

Yeah, i have read that MDMA has MAOI properties and thus should NOT be combined with MAOI's itself. i cannot figure out how this can be given that MDMA damps down my DMT visuals for three days, but that's another topic, LOL.

But, i gotta admit that extending the Salvia breakthrough experience could get dicey for someone like me. Twice the opportunity to get up and hurt myself or others! Sounds kinda scary . . .

 

ah its funny you mention that GB here is what i was reading earlier on erowid about enhancing it with MAOI's http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_info.shtml

 

ahh spicey bet me too it lol

 

Interesting link guys, thanks. I found the MDMA/Salvia combination to be absolutely synergistic, sounds like the harmala's are as well. It was Exactly like what the author wrote, although I'll make it clear that my peak was extended as well and then the comedown effects were extended and it's absolutely amazing to meditate about minute 10-20 on the combination.

 

Intriguing combination, but i'd probably walk right out the front door, try to hug/pet people on the street (including cars!) and call them, "pretty kitty!"

 

For some reason I imagined you on a crazed rampage, flipping your coffee table over and then running outside and beating the piss out your bbq grill with a sledge hammer. I realize you meant falling down and hurting your mouth, but I prefer my initial interpretation. :sifone:

 

DUDE i get the exact same feeling - everything collapses / turns in on me and i get the feeling that i ABSOLUTELY MUST turn or move to avoid getting "sucked" into it.

it's weird how similar everyones salvia experiences are.

 

bahahahahaha... I very well may have if I didn't have a trip sitter. I was pretty desperate to get out of that place. Would have made for a better story anyway.

 

The two psysical sensations which I can recal most vividly, and are most disturbing are as follows:

Being sat down on a bus seat, upzipped into a 2-dimentionial version of myself... and actually zipped into the fabric of the seat. I was used to reupholster a bus seat. Actually became it. I could feel the individual tug and vibration of each little tooth in my zipper being zipped. There was no pain, but the feeling was so utterly unhuman that I could not allow it to continue. This was during my second salvia trip and once I broke through, even though I was scard I was determined to take the full ride again.... I couldn't. I pulled away and struggle untill I broke back through to reality.

And during my first salvia breakthrough (this one took long to remember as the breakthrough was complete and 'perfect' which I still believe is not the case in most breakthroughs, seeing that not everyone reports the level of 'guidence' I had and the flight responce is so strong... you have to let it take you 100% to do it right) I recall watching as mirrior images of myself were loaded onto the very same bus. Apparently, the version of myself that existed with my present conciousness(me, the observer) was sitting on the couch. Apparently I was not nessicary to the salvia being at that moment and I was folded into the couch like a peice of machinery. The seats of the couch lifted behind me and I felt an increadable 'tugging' from inside my gut. All the air was pushed out of me and as the air left me... my body mass was lessened and I was folded into the couch that reclosed over me.

the only way I can think to describe this emptying of my by the couch is... have you ever hear an air compressor (like the kind use in some theme park rides) when it locks and then releaces the air with this (pssssssssssssst) sound? I know exactly how an air compresser would feel if it were human.


These are the thing that make me think of salvia as an evil presense... it was soul tourture. I'm going to go back one day to face Salvia again. I still can't explain why... but I wont be ready for that in a good whil I reckon,

 

I DEFINITELY understand what you mean about the whole "merging with your surroundings" (not in a good psychedelic way), and also the whole flight response - you feel that something HORRIBLE is happening to you and the whole time the only thought in your head is "WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!".

When I breahthrough on salvia, its as if reality gets peeled in these 180 degree angles which intersect with 90 degrees angles and collapse into you and the response I get is to continually roll to not get sucked into "the angles". There's still so much more to the salvia experience that you experience at the time you're on it, but so much of it is hard to explain with words, yet even remember.