No Smoking Ban

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by matieu, Apr 8, 2005.

  1. matieu

    matieu Member

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    I think there should be a no smoking ban in all public places. Where I live that is begining to happen. Anyone sharing me idea?
     
  2. _see_

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    urm...being a smoker i think banning it from pubs/bars/clubs isnt a good idea...they should have smoking and non smoking parts in places...but in other public places like cafes then yeah...cause it must be annoying for people who dont smoke
     
  3. Myranya

    Myranya Slytherin Girl

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    Heh, that's always the argument I hear, many smokers say they wouldn't go to bars/pubs/cafe's if they couldn't smoke there... but I, as a non-smoker, have been avoiding them most of my life mostly because they're always so smokey! Same for many of my non-smoking friends... And most pubs/bars are too small to have a none-smoking area, one place tried but about an hour after opening it made little difference. So yeah, I'm sure the smokers like to keep it that way so they can go out, but what about the non-smokers who'd like to go out and be able to breathe clean air, for a change? Hm, maybe make smoking & non-smoking days or something would be fair, but tricky to enforce and keep track of!
     
  4. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I could not agree more. If someone chooses to smoke, that is their choice. However, the percentage of second-hand smoke related cancer is alarming. It is very ignorant for someone to impose their choice of smoking on another's health. There are some bars and restaurants on the east coast where it is illegal to light a cigarette. Perhaps petitioning our local city mayors is in order.
     
  5. lillyblu

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    a no smoking ban? yay, then we can smoke everywhere!

    only kidding ;)
     
  6. Dalamar

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    There is a restaurant that is very popular in my area. It was always packed. Sometimes I would have to wait over an hour for a table. Then the smoking ban came. I tell you now I have no trouble getting a table within 10 minutes even on a Friday or Saturday dinner hour. The food has also gone way up in price, smaller portions of food. I even hear talk of the restaurant closing. I seldom eat out anymore myself because of the smoking ban. Most of the restaurants are more than willing to renovate their place to have smoking and non smoking sections. The anti-smoking faction has won but, it is costing small business dearly.
     
  7. element7

    element7 Random fool

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    I smoke, I agree with a ban in public enclosed spaces. Then again I'm not a big bar fly either but not smoking in restaurants doesn't bother me.
     
  8. seamonster66

    seamonster66 discount dracula

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    I'm against government regulating what private businesses can do in this regard...where I live there is a smoking ban indoors which doesn't bother me much really, but you should always be able to smoke outside..
     
  9. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    I personally feel that the decision should be that of the business owner. There's a smoking ban in my town and as it smoker it doesn't bother me all that much. As a business owner though, I would want the freedom to decide for myself what my patrons can and cannot do.

    If you're a non-smoker and don't want to go into a smokey bar, then go down the street to the non-smoking bar. Its as simple as that. A non-smoker makes the same conscious decision to expose themselve to second hand smoke as a smoker does to first hand smoke.
     
  10. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    There should be no bans on smoking, drunk driving, carrying concealed handguns or sharing dirty needles...

    ...because it is past time to thin the herd and the stupid need to go first.
     
  11. seamonster66

    seamonster66 discount dracula

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    here they allow concealed weapons but you can't smoke inside..

    sings " the land of contradiction and the hoooome of the busy bodies"
     
  12. Co0kiezGurl

    Co0kiezGurl Banned

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    K...thin the herd...see what your sayin, but what about the innocent, perhaps not even stupid people, who get killed by these stupid people?

    Just wonderin ;).
     
  13. Myranya

    Myranya Slytherin Girl

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    There are no non-smoking bars in my town. Not one.
     
  14. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    then I'm guessing someone is missing out on a good business opportunity.


    supply and demand. If enough people want non-smoking establishments, then someone with decent business savy would open up one.

    why should the government regulate what should be common sense to a business owner?
     
  15. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    So I should skip Marc's next fundraiser if he has it in Denver again????? Say it isn't so!
    Boulder does not allow indoor smoking. Boulder bars are packed...so are the sidewalks at set break, but fresh air is good for you.
    Denver is prone to owner choice, and the Bianchi bars (The late lamented Quioxte's, Sancho's Broken Arrow, Dulcinea's 100th Monkey and Cervantes' Ballroom) all have occasional smoke free nights for certain bands.
    The Gothic has a section, as does Cervantes' smoking upstairs.

    as for the no one will go out arguement, Cali has a state law erratically enforced, banning smoking in clubs/venues (and restaurants, etc)
    last time I checked, the bars were healthy. So were the restaurants.
    what Boulder owners saw was a few weeks of "protest" (like the owners did it or something) and then laziness and sociability over came that.
    As a non smoker, I'll choose a smoke free spot over a smoke pit, but it will not prevent me from going...I might leave early when the tolerance runs out/asthma hits.

    perfect world? great big smoke eaters..but those are EXPENSIVE. For now, paito smoking is fine.
     
  16. matieu

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    Wow I missed alot of this...But I do have to say I'm with the no smoking ban. But I only want it in restraunts and public stores. I do smoke pot but that's different.
     
  17. dhs

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    Like I said, I don't have a problem at all having to go outside to have a cigarette. Even during the winter (I live in one of the most frigid places in the country) I head outside and that is that. However, I still feel that the decision should be up to the business owner. Prior to the ban, I would often frequent non-smoking establishments and respected that the owner wanted to promote a smoke free / clean air environment. I went outside with no complaints or animosity towards the owner for their choice in how they regulate what goes on in their establishment. I also went to bars that allowed smoking and yes, I light up inside.

    I just don't think that the government should get involved. At the end of the day, I make the choice as to where I go, the government doesn't make that choice for me. So, my feeling is that if someone has an issue with a bar because it allows smoking, then they should take it up with the bar owner, not their local representative.

    I don't subscribe to the arguement that smoking bans hurt the bar business. I'm sure the bars in my town still do the same business now as they did prior to the ban. Its a lame duck arguement that has proved to not be true - so I'm with you there.

    I just feel that if a business owner wants to allow smoking in their establishment, than it should be their right to do so. No one is forcing a patron to go there or an employee to work there.
     
  18. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    I think it's a stupid idea, if they wanna ban smoking in public places then get rid of all the taxes they place on cigerattes, the state makes so much money off smokers, and drinkers too, that people should be allowed to smoke and drink all they want in public.
     
  19. matieu

    matieu Member

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    well I hate tobacco!!!! grrr....
     
  20. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    that's completely fine - its your choice whether or not you are exposed to it. No one is forcing you to go somewhere that there are people using tobacco.
     

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