Nutmeg?

hi ive been starting to experiment with more natural highs like salvia, peyote, wild dagga and ive been told that you can get high off smoking nutmeg and i was wondering if this is true and if so describe the effects during and after smoking it including if there is withdrawl.

thanks Child.

 

Never took it myself, but a friend did and she said she was high for a while but it made her sick. There's loads of reports in erowid you should check out. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Nutmeg.shtml

 

DO NOT DO IT. It will fuck you up so bad.

I took a tablespoon and did 2 waterfalls of it. It didnt hit me for about 6 hours, then i was in a nightmare. I was high but a really bad high. I wanted to stop being high but i couldnt. I just wanted to lay there and die, i didnt want to do anything, ever. It was like a depressing, shitty nightmare. I was high for 3 days then i came down and never tried it since and never will again. Not to mention it tastes like shit.. No wonder its not illegal to get high with it, once you try it youll never want to again

 

Not a bad time. And the day after has a very interesting, strange, pleasurable afterglow.

If you take it, reaearch what you're doing. Smoked doses are very small, snorted=very finely powdered (ideally more finely than just a spice jar of it) and slightly larger doses than smoked(snorting seriously hurts, my sinuses hurt just thinking about it... and it doesn't drip, since it's sandy, instead of a pure chemical by any means... just stays, until days later you blow your nose and it's sandy and maybe bloody) ingested=largest doses.

Ideally it should be fresh. I've never had fresh, always took ground stuff, had fine experiances, though weaker with the older stuff I used, fresher the better. Doses are much higher pre ground, keep that in mind and don't OD if you later do fresh...

Overall it's interesting once or twice, but not a good idea, it'll rape your liver.... And it's not LSD style hallucinations, more like slightly curved walls, moving shadows/patterns, general stoned feeling and mindfuck, seeing things you expect that aren't there (I once saw my cat, clearly, for a second, then realized I just expected him to be sitting there and he wasen't at all) But generally a managable feeling, if you don't dose too high. I've never had a bad experiance on it.

I don't understand why people don't like the taste, I think it's pleasent, the texture combined with the taste is nasty. If you ingest it orally, just have a glass of water, and for each swallows worth, wash it down with a few gulps of water. I think the smoke tastes kind of nice, but burns a bit and leaves your mouth and lungs feeling chemically burnt.

*edit* to answer your question about dependance or WD's, in theory you could be psychologically dependent... but really... you're not going to be... if you took nutmeg enough for any kind of dependence, I think you would be dead of liver failure rather swiftly... It's not to be fucked with in that kind of way.

 

sending noobs to erowids, is like sending a virgin to a whore house with no rubbers..

 

ahahhaha.

 

i dont think erowids has a forum or an stuff like that, just submitted ramblings..

 

http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/nutmeg.shtml

 

alas submitted ramblings.. didnt need your assistance really..

 

try eating a spoonful or two before you go to bed, its what I would do- you sleep through most of the aweful Im gonna die feeling and wake up with a pretty strong body high. never tried smoking it though...

 

Honestly, sounds dumb.... If you're going to damage your body, you should at least be awake for it.

The day after feeling is fun, but so is the whole thing, IMO. If you feel like you're going to die, you went too fast and dosed too high. I've never feared for my safety, of even felt more than a bit of, on it.

You CAN and will feel body aches, you can tell it's not good for you. But you shouldn't be panicking or anything.

Also, OP, remember that natural doesn't mean safe. There are plenty of illegal, man made drugs that are a lot safer and easier on your body than nutmeg, LSD, for instance... weeds much better... this shits NOT good for you, beyond the levels found in eggnog....

 

Wow. 27k posts and looking down your nose at 'noobs'. I'm not feelin the love. I hope I never get better than everyone else. Didn't mean to step on any toes, apoligies for having busted in.

 

No one's saying anything remotely mean or nasty, to comment on that post you obviously have no idea what's being discussed.... Go away, and let the big(ger) people talk.

 

youre saying that someone that takes nutmeg everyday on their coffee .. Isnt being harmed by it?...

Can we compare it to something else?. like tylenol..
If we did, then someone would say any level is harmful.
Just wondering is there a safe level of nutmeg at all?..

 

Well I don't know that it's NOT harmful, but in most people, it shouldn't cause any serious, dangerous damage in normal levels.

For example, alcohol causes liver damage to the point of death, but in moderate doses and when not mixed with other liver damaging agents (like nutmeg... yeah, I've done some dumb shit) can have beneficial effects and practically no damaging ones. And I believe, the liver does heal, to some degree, just not enough to cope with chronic abuse of liver damaging substances. (I could be wrong, but I think that it heals a bit....)

I've never seen any deaths attributed to chronic nutmeg use at all, actually, only OD's. I believe the data on liver damage comes from what it's metabolites are. It's alkaloids or it's metabolites may also contain benzene rings or other damaging substances, I'm not sure.

At any rate, the amount consumed for spice purposes, even with heavy spicing, is many hundreds of times smaller than that used recreationally, and maybe even less than that. And the LD50 is several times the point where it becomes very uncomfortable, probably many thousands of times the size of even a heavy culinary dose.

It can, even at the pleasurable levels, have some shooting pains or aches that are similar to mild diabetic nerve damage. It's a tricky thing to use recreationally, and having done so, I wouldn't really suggest it to anyone but the psychonaut looking to try eveything. There was a short period where I did it daily, within a larger period where i did it weekly, and I do wish I had not. There was little gained, and presumably considerable damage. The benefits do not outweigh the potential harms associated with recreational use.

So all in all, I think it's totally harmless in cuisine. Maybe if you always have it, like daily, it would be good to take a break for a week every now and then. But i don't think much harm will come of it. Those with severe liver damage should probably avoid it.

 

that was a very informative post, thank you.
i was just wondering cause my aunt has a coffee cafe and she got Nuts.. lol. the real deal , they grind it... There is this one person in particular that drinks coffee with the nutmeg, many times ive seen them served 3 in few hours. then do this again and again the next time I see them.

They visit there just about every day and I really havent seem them drink anything else this irish cream I think its called. She got all kinds of coffee, I dont even drink it.. REALLY, I dont like that fancy shit. I was just curious. I had taken some that when we was teens. a friend and I did it, his mom was right there thinking we was crazy but for some reason didnt mind us experiment with some drugs ..

though she flipped shit when she caught him huffing gas, she had a feeling I wasnt cool with it though cause I had rode dirt bikes and said huffing gas was nasty shit. (now being the dickish person I am today, and being that cannabis is illegal and gasoline isnt. I think everyone should try huffing gas least once, *)..
Anyways the nutmeg didnt do anything to us...

I had taken a few spoonfuls, maybe a few years ago..... and recall glassy eye vision. but nothing that I would write a report about.

This person in the cafe is often very cheerful, there is alot of caffeine in that shit though,. they are in there 60's..

 

Well the nuts do have a lot more of the alkaloids in them, but ehh, I expect it's fine for em...I mean, sounds like tasty coffee to me, and I'm sure they've never had as much nutmeg as I have in a day, no matter how many cups they drink.

Then again, I'm like the posterboy for nutmeg abusers (moved to the desert, still haden't been smoking weed for that long... was desperate and stupid... Now when there's no safe drugs, I get high on life)

*edit* well thankee for the rep, I do try

 

This was copied from the wiki entry for nutmeg.


Psychoactivity and toxicity
[edit] Effects

In low doses, nutmeg produces no noticeable physiological or neurological response, but large doses cause symptoms and harm. In the appendix to William S. Burroughs' Naked Lunch, he observes that the "[r]esults are vaguely similar to marijuana with side effects of headache and nausea. Death would probably supervene before addiction if such addiction is possible. I have only taken nutmeg once."[11]

Nutmeg contains myristicin, a weak monoamine oxidase inhibitor. Myristicin poisoning can induce convulsions, palpitations, nausea, eventual dehydration, and generalized body pain.[12] It is also reputed to be a strong deliriant.[13]

Fatal myristicin poisonings in humans are very rare, but two have been reported, in an 8-year-old child[14] and a 55-year-old adult, the latter case attributed to a combination with flunitrazepam.[15]

It should also be noted that the recreational properties of nutmeg can take about four hours to take effect, and large enough doses have been reported to cause severe tiredness, uncontrollable and prolonged sleep coupled with dehydration. The effects have been known to last longer than 72 hours, depending on the size of the dose.[citation needed]

Myristicin poisoning is potentially deadly to some pets and livestock, and may be caused by culinary quantities of nutmeg harmless to humans. For this reason, for example, it is recommended not to feed eggnog to dogs.[16]
[edit] History of use

Journalist Jack Shafer has written of nutmeg's long history as a psychoactive substance:

"Can you reach an altered state of consciousness by eating, snorting, or smoking from a tin of nutmeg? You betcha. The medical literature ('Nutmeg Intoxication,' New England Journal of Medicine, July 4, 1963; 'Nutmeg as a Narcotic,' Angewandte Chemie International Edition, June 1971) has long respected the psychoactive powers of this compound. Peter Stafford's Psychedelics Encyclopedia uncovers an 1883 report from Mumbai noting that 'the Hindus of West India take [nutmeg] as an intoxicant.' Stafford continues, 'Nutmeg has been used for centuries as a snuff in rural eastern Indonesia; in India, the same practice appears, but often the ground seed is first mixed with betel and other kinds of snuff.' In 1829, a Czech physiologist named Jan Evangelista Purkinje washed down three ground nutmegs with a glass of wine and experienced headaches, nausea, euphoria, and hallucinations that lasted several days, which remain a good description of today's average nutmeg binge. One anecdotal report: A drug-savvy friend of mine compares his one nutmeg high to being keelhauled by a freight train on a transcontinental run. He didn't like it, but the substance has its enthusiasts. Harvard ethnobotanist Richard Evans Schultes and chemist Albert Hofmann (father of LSD) wrote of nutmeg's ubiquity in Western culture in their 1980 book The Botany and Chemistry of Hallucinogens. 'Confirmed reports of its use by students, prisoners, sailors, alcoholics, marijuana smokers, and other deprived of their preferred drugs are many and clear. Especially frequent is the taking of nutmeg in prisons, notwithstanding the usual denials by prison officials.' (Malcolm X speaks of getting high on nutmeg 'and the other semi-drugs' while serving time in prison in The Autobiography of Malcolm X.) It has been used as medicine since at least the seventh century and was employed as an abortifacient at the end of the 19th century, which resulted in numerous cases of nutmeg poisoning, according to medical journals. Although used as a folk treatment for other ailments, nutmeg has no proven medicinal value today. According to the Angewandte Chemie International Edition article, nutmeg became popular among young people, bohemians, and prisoners in the post-World War II period, 'and this use was mainly, if not exclusively, confined to the USA.' A 1966 New York Times piece (subscription required) named it along with morning glory seeds, diet aids, cleaning fluids, cough medicine, and other substances as alternative highs on college campuses."[17]

Nutmeg is also banned in Saudi Arabia because of its contents usage.

 

^ wiki wasnt necessary.. lol. you can leave the link..
maybe it just looks like alot to me. maybe not even = teaspoon accumulatively. if you really think about it. I think it tastes terrible lol..
a couple years ago , I wanted to see what the pirates were tripping on.... Besides I was older and able to identify the buzz..
Ill take morning glorys over nutmeg any day though... well in fact , I dont think ill ever try nutmeg again..

 

Unfortionatly, I've never gotten substantially, pleasurably, or even revealingly, intoxicated from MGS....

Tried at least 4, maybe as many as 7 times... Quite a few, at least... Kinda fun the first time, after that, I get tired, puked once (the time I left the water for two days, instead of two hours... buuurned my stomach, washed down with fruit juice, puked maybe 45 minutes later, after also smoking weed in an effort to bring it on) the last time, when I puked, I did generally feel bad, slept maybe an hour, browsed HF with strange visual brightening but no real visuals, felt kinda like crap, a little euphoric as time wore on... then it was gone.

I'm dissapointed

Maybe some day I'll get my hands on a legit plant... I want the aincent central american strain cultivated for LSA... Doesn't seem to exist in the gringo world though. And it would be illegal to sell, even so...