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  1. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Namaste my family.
    I have decided to attempt to expound on what I refer to as the Orange Morning. This is a very personal experience I went through, and there is no doubt that what I will give as an explanation of details of the occurence to will raise multiple questions regarding my honesty and comprehension of the subject matter. Some of you who know me have somewhat of an idea as to where I stand spiritualy, and the few who know me personally have heard my observation of metaphysics and philosophy. For those who dont know me, my opinions can sometimes come off pretty strong, I believe that I am open minded but at times I feel that I am getting so high from sober meditation and God-Realization I forget that not many people are going there with me, as well as failing to remember that I myself was once an atheist, so one thing I am struggling with daily is actually the entire point of spirituality, the Oneness. But we all have our shortcomings and at least I am aware of my fault and trying as hard as possible to keep my mental equilibrium balanced and learn to accept and try to understand.
    That being said Im going to start explaining because quite a few people have asked me what Im talking about.
    First I need to say that what led into the overwhelming experience of awakening was my first total communion with Om, or Aum, and as I have tried more times than I can remember to explain this communion it is always fruitless in the listener or reader because it just is not something you can appreciate fully until you become immersed in the experience yourself. The way I reflect on it is that it's like being baptized with the Holy Spirit (to put it in comprehensive Christian terms) only there is no middle man and there is no ritual, and it has nothing to do with being worthy of entry into the Heavenly lokas. It is simply a rebirth, to feel the presence of Aum weaving itself in and out of physical reality, both in the microcosom as well as the macrocosm, God working behind the scenes like a string hidden behind the beads of a necklace. But unless anyone here has a true interest in hearing more about the divine communion I, for now am going to leave it alone. Though it's most important and a necessity to have the view of what Im going to explain next as the Orange Morning, I would rather just get to the point of the latter mental manifestation.
    - Aum Tat Sat -
    Lying in bed during a fairly intense psychedelic trip with my son in my arms sound asleep, my mind drifted out into a vision of Krsna sitting with His gopis under a large tree in the midst of a garden. It was a hazy vision, more of a daydream with eyes half open, viewing my room as well as the dream. But I was not present in the sense of being a contained physical or spiritual entity, but rather I was the garden itself and viewing Krsna and His activity from a spherical perception that was one and many but always the same for the duration of the occurence. They werent talking nor was I, but that moment was definitley incredible. As I came out of the vision, my attention returned to my son, his heart beat was much more audible than it had been, as was mine. His heart beat blended into my heart beat and we became one force of energy, one atman merging with Param Atma. A tremendous buzzing settled over the both of us and I could actually FEEL my son's entire being as if I was him and I at the same time. To get to the point, Aum realization descended upon me as not only Nature coming to life but God's prescence pervading the entire scene grew so strongly that I was once and for all ridden of any wondering at God's potential existance, something I had trouble coming to terms with fully for a few years at that time.
    After a breif period of being fully immersed in Sat Chit Ananda (perfect being, perfect consciousness, perfect bliss) I thought to myself "Hey, I mean as long as God's here closer to me than my own blood, I might as well try to learn the secrets to His coded vibrational thought matter that comprises physical reality!" Who wouldn't at least try, right? So what I proceeded to follow was one of the sub-sub atomic particles, bubbles of vibrational, creative sound which were blooming up and out of every pixel of dualistic vision in the forefront of my consciousness. I held the 'bubble of sound' in my right palm and gazed at it, probably with one of them rediculous trip smiles and for only a moment when I was pulled into the bubble itself. So here I am, lying in bed holding my right hand out, while at the same time fully conscious of being contained in the bubble resting just above my own right hand.
    While in this sound of localised Aum, I felt that God was no longer present to me in the form as the emanation, sustainment, and destruction of the cosmos, but that He was personally and directly my immediate consciousness. I had woken up temporarily and without warning into the Mind of God and was utterly ill prepared for such an experience. I wasnt actually 'seeing' God, and this wasnt in the form of a deity of any sort. It was my soul, up above the crown chakra, along with the 3rd eye, being fully exposed to God-Realization. What I was shown during this contact with the Absolute Form was at first more beautiful and interesting than anything thing I had ever seen prior and to date has yet to be matched. But as the warmth grew, eventually a sudden fear began to sink in that admittedly became very painful physically and mentally was unbearable. At first I felt that I was expereincing something along the lines of Christ dying on the cross, an empathy so deep for the sad negative karma attributed to all of mankind. But then I felt the concept of time truly spin right out of comprehensive reality and I noticed that nothing was moving in other consciousness which was outside of the bubble. I mean, life stopped. And without any kind of words, an understanding blossomed between me and Brahma, an understanding that our macrocosmic universe had all of a sudden ceased expanding. The universe had expired its growing process and as it froze momentarily, I had visions of everyone I knew, my city of Philadelphia, the country of America, and then the world dying in a way that is too bizarre for words. But that wasnt the real cause for my fear, what had me clenching every muscle, squeezing my eyes shut after trying to keep them open and watch (though my 3rd eye forced me to look anyway lol) and praying for healing aid and liberation, was that the universe started going backwards to it's beginning, and I wouldnt die. My soul was still there to experience and it was by far the most intense and absolutley insane moment I couldnt even imagine something so fantastic. After it was over, Brahma closed his mouth and died Himself, and God gave birth to Mother Nature all over again and I felt myself pulled right back into existance. As the insanity stopped and I regained control over my being and could open my eyes and actually see my surroundings other than a pure psychedelic mess, I looked into my son's eyes which were wide awake. He was smiling and his eyes were shining. I looked at my alarm clock and it was 3am. I looked out my window and saw the trashy streets of south west Philadelphia and the regular night crowd drug dealers hanging out. The row homes were all dancing wildly, contorting and waving in a cosmic dance reaching for the Sun, and it was the brightest Orange Sun I had ever seen. I felt every cell in my body recharging and replenshing and I melted into a pure harmonic wave of vibrational energy as my consciousness of my soul breezed out under the canopy of Love and continued drifting out into Oneness of the Light of Creation, enevleoping and embracing everything in my path as one and the same as my soul. It was at that moment when I realized the true equlity of all of our souls, that we are all one in the same and from the same source and individuality is only concerned with our physical karmic debt. It was also then when I realized that given an abundance of hidden matter in the universe, our cosmos are going through rounds of births, death, and rebirths, just like us. The microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm.
    I hope this makes sense to some, if not I hope it wasnt a waste of your time to read it. Feel free to comment on anything you wish, I just wanted to share my first total awakening into Samadhi, Sat Chit Ananda, God-Realization and the ever new bliss and harmony as well as the false delusinal essence of Nature.
    Om shanti and Namaste Family -
     
  2. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    By the way my friends I realize that the part of the trip which was the most intense and revealed the most divine perception to me was when I felt as if the universe was collapsing in on itself, just that vastness, the immense 'feeling' I had of being pulled into not only myself but into a Grand Central focal point, was left sort of vague and more or less up to you as readers to contemplate and imagine for yourselves, and I guess I may as well have. I dont think I could every properly convey the mix of emotions and the tremendous brilliance of that experience, not to mention the fear. It wasnt a typical bad trip kind of fear, but as some of you may know, when you really get tripping out that hard, sometimes the bounds of sanity are stepped over a little bit too far (in this case, way over the line) and you are momentarily rendered helpless and unaware of what reality is. It is usally only breifly (unless your dosing like an animal) and the profound overwhelming body load (or lack there of lol) usually binds you to your spot, unable to move and left to only become pure chitta or consciousness, helpless and awe struck staring at the mighty power of God, frozen in time and space. The Orange Morning I termed the entire experience, but it was watching that Sun rise nearly 3 hours before the actualy Sun rose while in the darkness of the early am hours, only dimly illumined by the city skyline, that had me crying harder and more open and freely than I had ever cried before. The Orange Morning was something so amazing that I thank God for blessing me with this divine vision daily and will never forget it. Every meditation session I have starts with reopening the 3rd eye into Om perception, and followed up with a memory of today, the shadow of tomorrow.
    Peace and Good health to every single one of you.
    Om shanti -
     
  3. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    holy god that was long. lol good though. i think i could never see something like that i would definatly never be the same. who is brahma? jw about that. also, i've been trying to understand where you come from religiously. it seems like you mix them up all very freely and i've been asking myself if maybe all religions are really one in the same, just different perceptions of the same stuff?
     
  4. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    :D:D

    John that was so beautiful, I mean you've told me before about it, but never in so much detail. wow. As I read it I kept comparing, not what you saw, but what you felt to what I felt to the trip when I was there. Being able to listen to Om and how it was the most beautiful overwhelming, not sound, but energy. The crying for just how much Pure Love there is and it's overwhelming and once I felt it, I knew it has always been there and then I cry some more for blocking it out and the people who still do. The blinding warm white light inside my eyelids and then the pain, the fast paced thoughts, the confusion, the invasion of violet and gray (like you read on the book later on), the craziness with time and repetition. It reminds me of all that, but this is SO MUCH more beautiful, intense and personal :)
     
  5. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Neodude, you are completley correct, the majority of the religions are just different ways of expressing love for the same God. Different names and customs, and levels of depth or simplicity generated towards the average mind set of the period in which they gathered momentum. Jesus taught in parables to a simpler crowd, and in esoteric poetry to His disciples, and even they questiond "This is a hard saying. Who can understand it?" Buddha taught in long, elaborate sutras that in many cases involved many questions by His followers because it was too deep, even though it was always getting to the same point. Mohammed spoke in much the same way as Jesus when it came to praying to the one and only true God, though you have to understand that Mohammed and al-Islam started out with just the Holy Prophet Himself having the Cosmic Vivion (just like the rest of them) and explaining to His immediate family, next thing you know there are masses of people following Him. He was all about peace and love, but many attempts were made by various other religious people to kill him, and as he gained more influence over the masses, they tried to kill Him and his people and root out al-Islam out of fear of losing their earthly possesions and powers, so naturally, at that time period and given the situation, Jihad came about. But Jihad does not mean just fighting with violence, the highest form of Jihad is to praise the name of God openly and to read and write of God's wonders, after the Quar'an it was the Hadith. Jews also believe in the One God, and their mystical approach to metaphysics is actually VERY interesting and similar to Hindu metaphysics according to the Kaballa.
    I consider myself Hindu, because my main approach to spirituality is yoga sadhana and dyhana, meditation and yoga (yoga means union, as in Soul union with the One God through awakening the 3rd eye to perceive the Cosmic Dream for what it really is). But I have 3 copies of the Quar'an, different translations and one just in Arabic, and I read it daily. I also just 2 weeks ago bought my very own King James Bible, and I have multiple translations of the Bhagavad Gita (Hindu Bible, basically) as well as several Buddhist scripture, the typical Tibetan Book of the Dead but some lesser known material as well.
    Trust me, they are ALL getting at the same message!
    It's like your hand. Five finger's appear different, but they extend from and live to serve the One Palm, the One Hand.

    And Brahma is the Hindu god representation of the Holy Ghost, the permeating spirit behind the light of Creation. You know how the Christian Trinity goes of course? The Hindu Trinity is Aum Tat Sat
    Aum - Brahma (Creation, mother nature, spirit)
    Tat - Vishnu (Preservation, sustainer, eternal Consciousness)
    Sat - Shiva (Destruction, Final liberation, moksha, enlightenment)
    And again, Aum stands for Supreme Infinite Spirit, Tat stands for That (all that there is), and Sat stands for Eternal Truth. So basically what that saying comes down to is "God Is The Truth".
    And in the way that is like the Christian Trinity, Aum is the Holy Spirit, Tat is the Christ Consciousness that is ever present and is what we attain to become the 'son of God', and Sat is the Father of Creation, the One God transcendental, the vibrationless spirit out of which all life, the universe itself, is a condensation of. We were birthed from it, so to speak.
    Of course making these associations is purely personal and people will have their own opinions, but I feel them to be the same subject, different culture and different language.
    By the way, the representation of Satan in Hinduism is called Maya, or the Cosmic Veil of Delusion. That which is false, a lie, a non-reality. Hinduism states that Mother Nature's weaved existance of reality is covered with Maya and the way to free oneself of karma and maya is yoga meditation on God, opening the 3rd eye.
    Remember when Jesus was tempted by Satan to turn stone into bread? And he said :
    "Man shall not live on bread alone but by every word out of the mouth of God."
    Some yogi's interperet that to mean the medulla oblongota is the mouth of God, the place in the astral/spinal charka system where our prana (or life energy) comes in, and through working on the chakras with yoga we distribute it properly and allow the higher chakras (3rd eye, crown, heart) to open to recieve God's love and ultimate wisdom :)
    Sorry if that's a lot to swallo, I kind of went off on a thing just now haha.
    Much love to you neodude I hope you find the peace you are looking for.
    Sandalwood, Jasmine and Sunflowers
    Namaste Family -
     
  6. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Thanks Iliana :)
    Yea it was one of those father and son, revelation of the life moments lol. You know, the usual :tongue: haha
    I was actually reading that book again this morning at like 4am. I was reading about the progression through the lokas into heaven after death again. The violet and grey, Aura, people might say I am delusional when I say that I've seen part of the after death ascension and the colours that come with it, but I cant deny what I saw. You were there when we read the book. How accurate that book explains the entire trip we had. That was truly another moment of feeling God so close that it was beyond all doubt that what we went through was a hallucination. We all see different things when we trip and I would never tell someone what they experience is not real. But I realize what I talk about when I mention the after death state is hard to swallow for some people as it's pretty deep stuff. I could very well be wrong but I know what I saw, and it just makes perfect sense to me, and I have no choice but to accept it for what it was and to anticipate when it happens again.
     
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    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    see that is my whole problem. i was born and raised a christian, but lately it seems i've been having problems with it. i believe everything is about love. everything that is meaningful that is. so....when a religion preaches love and peace, why is that religion false. Christianity says, "beware of the false prophets" and God tell us that he is the one and only god, to not bow down before idols. well, if all these religions were truly the same, why would he say that? but yet on the other hand, they really do preach the same gospel.
     
  8. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    Well if you are insane, I'm insane too (we might be, but whatever) :tongue:
    I had no idea what the violet and grey meant when I saw it, I just saw it slowly taking over the living room and I think it was the last moment, before the pain started.Then when you read that book, what was the name of that book?, it all made perfect sense. I dont know, people still think Im delusional when I tell them about it, but what a great delusion it is, when is not only matched with what the person you are with is experiencing, but then you find in a book that I've never read before the explanation to what you thought you went through.
    Of course there was no need for another person or a book to validate the experience as real, I just think is interesting that it was something shared, not only by you and me, but clearly explained in the pages of a book you never returned to the library. I'm glad you didnt :)
     
  9. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Becaues neodude, the scriptures were written by the hands of men, and not by God. God will not kill you or send you to hell for worshipping a wooden owl or an oak tree, but you wont attain the wisdom and liberation that comes with the love and devotion to the One God. I know what you mean, Islam is the same way, all of the Judaeo-Christian religions are. They are all founded on the same God, yet they all 3 completley disagree with each other. It's just superstition and manipulation made for one purpose only : To control the minds of the followers.
    God is not going to send you to hell for reading scripture of other religions. Why would He do something like that? There cant just be one religion thats right and the rest of the world is wrong, you know? What kind of loving and fair God would that be? God can only be omniscient, omnipresent, and trascnedental to any human ability to conceive of Him. How can a person really claim that God wants us to do this and shun those other people who are different? The universe is built out of Love, that much is obvious, common sense. So the only attribute we can safely give to God with no doubt is that He loves us. And I just cant imagine why God would not include the whole earth full of people as all the same family. -
     
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    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    The Ancient Wisdom by Annie Bessant. One of the most important and revealing books I have ever read. In fact, next to Yogananda and Yukteswar, in my opinion, Annie Bessant is light years ahead of the majority of the human race when it comes to enlightenment. But how misunderstood she really is. I saw another book of hers called Esoteric Christianity at the bookstore 2 weeks ago. Hopefully its still there and I can purchase it with some Christmas bonus paycheck money :D
     
  11. neodude1212

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    yes the bible was written by men and not God.


    so then, how valid is the Bible? i've always been told that the bible was written by the hands of men, but spoken by the mouth of God. but you bring up a very good point. This is the whole reason i dont follow organized religion. people try to control other people for their own not so holy purposes. the catholic church is a great example of this. but then, if the bible is not a valid source, which seems very blasphemous, then what do we have to learn with? sorry if im annoying. lol.
     
  12. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    I hope you do get it :)
     
  13. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    No dont worry, its not annoying at all!
    You just have to read between the lines. Same with the Quar'an. Though the Quar'an does state that the Old Testament of the Bible is not the original as the original was lost to time and rewritten, and I agree. I dont read the Old Testament and havent since I was a child. But Jesus and the New Testament has the best advice anyone could ever recieve. You just have to look past the stories and read what Jesus is really getting at :)
    Edit - by the way, next to Mohammed, Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Quar'an. Muslims just dont believe Jesus was anything more than a human prophet, not the 'one and only' Son of God. And I agree with them
     
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    Beutifully written, How I would love to be graced with the experiences you have had with psycedelics. Though, I have just begun to follow a path of true spirituality. What I'm wondering is, where should someone like me who wants to get into meditation and yoga begin? I have always loved hinduism and Buddhism but I cannot seem to be able to meditate for more than 10 minutes before becoming impatient and moving on to listening music.
     
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    Everybody has its own way of realizing things or to put in the words what they feel. That is why I never followed any religion, I created my own religion witch is above all the religions and all the religions are taliking about it. I can only say love, but even that word doesn't explain the feeling completely, there is so much more.
    Relayer is always giving names to what he feels from Hindu religion, because they are explaining what he feels the closest, but not fully, and that is why he was looking into other religions. Me, on the contrary, I am always giving my names to the feelings, or set of words, witch are according to me explaining the best my feelings. Never bothered to much to find out how somebody (or religion)calls this what I am feeling, because somebody else will attach some other feeling to exactly same set of words.
    For example, what you Relayer explained in details what you expirienced during that trip, is matching my feeling witch I would describe like "I surrounded myself". To plenty of people that would sound like crazy playing with words, but to me, that means whole 2 pages that Relayer wrote, plus many things more. Also, if I am not wrong, Relayer had to say soo much more, but couldn't find the proper words that will mean something to the others.
    Anyway, I guess the only thing that is real is love, and it can be interpreted on so meny different ways, and they are all apsolutely correct!
     
  16. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Well I will always agree with you Shapes that the only reality is Love. But hey at least I made up my own name for the Morning ;) haha
    Loving you all! Namaste Family -
     
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    Here is something funny, but explains my opinion about religions:

    A young monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to helping the other monks in copying the old canons and laws of the church by hand.



    He notices, however, that all of the monks are copying from copies, not from the original manuscript. So, the new monk goes to the head abbot to question this, pointing out that if someone made even a small error in the first copy, it would never be picked up! In fact, that error would be continued in all of the subsequent copies.



    The head monk, says, "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son."



    He goes down into the dark caves underneath the monastery where the original manuscripts are held as archives in a locked vault that hasn't been opened for hundreds of years.

    Hours go by and nobody sees the old abbot . .



    So, the young monk gets worried and goes down to look for him. He sees him banging his head against the wall and wailing.
    "We missed the R ! We missed the R ! We missed the R !"

    His forehead is all bloody and bruised and he is crying uncontrollably. The young monk asks the old abbot, "What's wrong, father?"

    With A choking voice, the old abbot replies, "The word was...



    "CELEBRATE !!!"
     
  18. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    If Jesus was just a prophet and not the son of God, then how did he do all the miraculous things he could do?
     
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    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Guruji Yogananda met many saints in India who could perform various 'miracles', but his Guru, Sri Yukteswar, performed healing miracles, just like Jesus did. It's a matter of manipulating the cosmic energy, something only yoga masters can do. But if you believe they are doing this (they have no reason to lie) and in reincarnation, it is a choice a soul makes once they reach the attainment of Christ Consciousness to be incarnated as a direct discpiple working for God alone. Remember all the talk between John the Baptist and Jesus about "He comes after me is before me" all that stuff? Well, couldnt that be understood to mean reincarnation? As in, they were avatars, and previously were Elija and Elisha? I dont want to get too out there here but just think about it. Just because people like us have not been healed or met saints who can heal, doesnt mean it's not happening or has never happened. -
     
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    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Here :
    Matthew 11:7-14 “While they were going away, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: ‘What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? ... A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: “Look, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.” I tell you the truth, among those born of women, no one has arisen greater than John the Baptist ... From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and forceful people lay hold of it. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John appeared. And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah, who is to come."

    Some say reincarnation is not what is meant here but just keep in mind, much of the scripture found was not included in the new testament, and apparently there were some in which Jesus Himself clearly talked about it. Not to mention a description of yoga and meditation.
     
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