Osama and 9-11 Why?

In the wake of the anniversery of september 11th, I have a really important question I want you all to answer and think about, and people who disagree with the 9-11 truth movement, can you just answer me this...

Osama is against US intervention in the middle east, his goal is to clear all the us forces out of the middle east, so why would he attack the US and give them an excuse to say in there for the rest of his life?

 

well look's like you an osama have something in common, you both lack common sense. makes you do stupid thing's without thinking them thru 1st.

 

Okay, there is one thing we can all agree on: If Osama bin Laden really did carry out the 9/11 attacks as the US government claims, it certainly wasn't one of his spur of the moment decisions. The attack is something that was in planning for years.

What you're proposing is that over that extended period of time, OBL never realized that there would be an increased US military presence in the Middle East if he were to carry out the attacks, right? If that is indeed your proposal, you are also proposing that OBL is mentally retarded.

Your argument is paper thin.

 

i'm not saying he was retarded.

1. Common sense; good judgment: “It is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things” (Henry David Thoreau).

 

ok cadcruzer, your argument is that OBL is just retarted, and that so am i because I am asking a question that to me makes a lot of sense to be asking...your a good debater cadcruzer

 

"well look's like you an osama have something in common, you both lack common sense. makes you do stupid thing's without thinking them thru 1st."

Look who's talking.

and why would'nt the most violent (or powerful, for those who deny that overthrowing democracies and attacking 3rd world countries isn't violent) country in the last 60 (Edit: remembered that america got powerful after WWII, shouldnt smoke and write stuff) years or so want to have a military presence next to natural resources its dependent on?

so 3,000 people dead and 2 buildings toppled justifies years of war and results in 2,097 of our troops dying, and anywhere between 20,000 and 30,000 Iraqi civilians. THE OUTCOME IS WORSE! the winners of wars are companies and those with power, and the losers are humanity.

 

The guy just said whats on his mind and all ye do is call him retarted.... Would ye be nicer?

 

It's "Retarded." It has nothing to do with "tarts." And I don't think OBL is anywhere near mentally challenged.

 

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought they were calling Angel Headed Hipster retarDed....

 

I suppose if you can find the rationale to un-link OBL and 9/11 .
A lot of allegations have more merit/validity... but most people disregard certain element for there own conveniance. When i read this thread, i thought at least the concept of OBL being in some part resposible..was pretty much recieved wisdon..Seems not.
If you insert him into the picture, it does horribly all make sense [imho]...
I would imagine lots of pople within this thread don't wish for the two to be linked, because then the entire 'other story' would crumble... Though you could say the same about my POV [i suppose-you got me there].

I believe OBL is responsible for 9/11 .. I think he is a idiot for inflicting his own warped ideology on the so called 'infidels' . If he ordered the immediate stop of acts of violence on iraqs and the coalation troops.. His plan to get rid of all US troops would become a reality much quicker.
Bombing the hell out of anyone that does not agree with him seems prety counter productive..
Plus his 'demands' alter [removal of troops from two holy sites-done-more 'demands' followed] and are never meetable because he does not really wish for his demands to be met..
He would like a everlasting 'war'.. this would suit his needs in fostering hate around the world for the 'infidels'... It is almost like removing OBL from the equation is simply to blame something more tangiable.. i.e western [especialy American] culture .

The thing is he took advantage of this 'culture' before he turned into a nutter..

I suppose he is quite clever in manipulating the facts and using grievances westerners have also.. Globalisation/American life/US foreign policy/Uk foreign policy/etc etc etc ..

 

"If he ordered the immediate stop of acts of violence on iraqs and the coalation troops.. His plan to get rid of all US troops would become a reality much quicker."

Well that's exactly what I'm saying, and even all you agree that OBL is nowhere near retarted, he's very smart in fact, so why wouldn't he do just this?

 

angel's right, it doesn't make sense. ruppert wrote this about obl and i think it's our best explanation so far, he's bush's 'emmanuel goldstein':

 

I have no idea. I can't see into the man's mind. His "right hand man" (forget his name, the dude with the weird birth mark on his forehead) claimed responsibility for the Blasts in London yesterday.

 

Abu Musab Al Zaquari - who is to know if he did, or is just taking credit ['they' seem too like doing that].

It would be logical.. but this is not really what he wishes [at the end of the day].
''Golden and unique opportunity'' http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm

 

If this is true then Palestinian terrorists don't exist because they only validate the Israeli right which says a Palestinian state would only want to destroy Israel. And the Chechens must be faking it too since they only got themselves invaded by Russia. And those Kashmiri terrorists? They must be faking since they are losing. Same for the Filipino muslim separatists. Wait, every single terrorist movement in the world which is losing (most of them) must be fake!

Either that or this theory is not exactly well thought out.

 

aren't you confusing the leadership with the struggle? it seems noone is suggesting the various movements and causes are not real. we're questioning whether obl - who claims to lead one such movement - is all that's he's portrayed by his enemies to be. if it were such a simple q of good guys versus bad as u say it is then he'd have been well and truly caught by now. but for the reasons michael ruppert mentions in my earlier posting, and prob'ly more that we don't know about, he remains at large to serve as the 'goldstein'-like propaganda icon he's become.

 

well that is weird because I have seen quotes by OBL that say that the US military needs to leave the middle east and needs to stop allying itself with Israel...that goes in direct contradiction with what you said about that "Inside 9/11" program, no doubt OBL is a sick dude but surely he has his mind made up about this, he has said that killing innocent woman and children is against what he stands for (obviously a lie) but why would he contradict himself in such a way and not stick with the original lie? the whole OBL thing just doesn't make sense to me, and when I see the US government, Wall Street, Carlyle Group, etc. gaining off this tradgedy and no middle easterners AT ALL i can't help but ask these questions.

 

I am not anti capitalist....people from wall street ARE making money off 9/11, off what the government has been able to do after 9/11, so has halliburton, so have the oil companies, and if you are going to claim that i am bitching about something when in fact I am not, i am just asking a simple question, then that's your own problem.

 

you may need to earth yourself galactic traveller. and that's not a piss-take either.

 

a double take never hurt anyone. one thing i'm fairly confident in saying tho' is that wall street makes money out of wars, which is what i was referring to.