Apparently, Dubya is trying to make it an infinate act... "Making Our Community Safer..." "...by turning EVERYONE into spies!"
Nazis and Soviets were both also adept at establishing informant societies. Obviously this criminal cabal in Washington has taken its cues from the best in the business.
No Slutter, it's not a "far cry" from either. It's every bit the necessary groundwork for the establishment of just those sorts of police states. Nazi Germany didnt spring up in full force overnight, lest you need be reminded of history. Hitler himself was duly elected under a fully recognised Western democratic constitutional framework, only thereafter did he set the mechanisms (and contrived events to inspire necessary public fear) in place through which all control was ultimately concentrated. The Patriot Act has been followed by a number of under-reported or altogether unreported measures (mostly slipped into entirely unrelated or innocuous sounding pieces of legislation to use as ideological and electoral weapons against any who would dare vote against). This underhanded practice is the very means by which the Real ID Act was pushed through with little resistance. Continue on this path and youll be witnessing very much the same sort of internal surveillance and control on movement (actually those citizens who already refuse to show a passport for domestic travel have been barred from flying within the country) that I experienced firsthand in the 80's in the USSR. I suggest you shake off the "it can't happen here" delusion and wake up to what is indeed the hijacking of America by Trotskyites and their wholly ideology-driven agenda.
when an fbi agent joins your sewing circle and sends your ass to jail because you said you didn't like bushes policies I won't say I told you so.....
You say "subtle erosion of liberties" like it's not a big deal. How many so called INALIENABLE RIGHTS have been, uh...alienated? Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Every time a line is crossed without opposition, it just makes it easier to cross the line again and again...
I think I will learn a dif. language and move away when I am older. I was thinking of Australia but they are going to fry up down there, so I don't think so. I bet theres some nice places in Europe.
Slutter just trying to define the dif: but: hey when the fbi can go in and demand library records, thank god we're all safe. Let's all keep in mind that all those who join could never possibly be psychotic?
I understood you slutter, if that makes you feel any better. "It's every bit the necessary groundwork for the establishment of just those sorts of police states. Nazi Germany didnt spring up in full force overnight, lest you need be reminded of history. Hitler himself was duly elected under a fully recognised Western democratic constitutional framework, only thereafter did he set the mechanisms (and contrived events to inspire necessary public fear) in place through which all control was ultimately concentrated." I think this is one of the most powerful arguments for convincing people that our leaders are indeed corruptable and very capable of deceit. So many people will completely disregard anything a person says if they even mention that our leaders are not actually doing things for our own good, that they are doing them for power and personal gain. They think "Theres no way that could happen, not in America." Well, America is run by humans, and humans are greedy, ruthless, power hungry creatures by nature. Hitler was a human, even if most don't want to belong to the same race as the man, his genetic code was definitely homo sapien. If one human can and will do it, chances are many others can too.
If and when the Patriot Act is recinded, marajuana will still be illegal. Sorry, but The Left doesn't give a damm about hippies. The Left is OK with the Supreme Court's support of enforcment because they fear that if left to the individual states; then other issues like the environment or abortion will also be left to the states in the future. Sorry, we have all been sacrificed, We are on our own. We have been under a "Patriot Act" for years and years, for us this is nothing new.
cops can join forums and not mention their law enforcement affiliation under the patriot act, b4 they couldn't......... there are "new" things under the patriot act.....
Oh and Chuck...apparently they are trying to protect us from ourselves... Freedom can only lead to terrorism.
Piney, even as a potsmoker, I can say there are more important issues that marijuana law at stake. I mean basic civil liberties. To anyone, what is the status of Patriot Act II?
I don't know how many damn times I need to say this. Hitler was not elected! http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/preludegermany.htm http://www.thirdreichpages.com/chancellor.htm
No, but he did seize power after a terrorist attack that his party orchastrated... Anyways, the basis of government is that we give up some freedoms in order to gain security. eventually the government either pushes it too far and there is a revolution or the government becomes bloated and inefficient and there is a revolution. Revolution is inevitable, really, in any half-ways decent society... Anywhos, to TrippinBTM, they passed most of PATRIOT II the day they caught saddam hussien.
Many more times, I am sure of it. And ironicaly, you will probably need to say it most to people who lecture others on knowing their history. I guess there will always be a certain element that believes comparing everything and everyone to Hitler is a sign of their superior vigilance.
Actually, he's right. It's not just about Marijuana. During the war on drugs, many liberties were taken from the people and given to the cops, affecting not only smokers but freedom itself. Many nonsmokers believe it to be a worse blow to freedom than the patriot act.
Portions of the "Patriot" Act have been ruled unconstitutional already...now we just need to revoke the entire thing. Fuck it.
The war on drugs has been a complete failure. If drugs were regulated and controlled, it would cripple organized crime and there would be a dramatic drop in street violence. Fuck, we need personal responsibility back in practice. Let people do what they wish with their bodies. It's not up to big daddy government to decide.
