Pawns in uniforms

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Pressed_Rat, May 6, 2006.

  1. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Wouldn't it be nice if our military men and women understood that they were nothing more than a bunch of pawns in a game that cares NOTHING about them or the country they think they are serving? Keep in mind I have nothing against people in the military, because I am sure many of them believe they are serving the noble cause they have been brainwashed to believe. I just think it's important for those in the military to understand that when they are "serving their country," they are serving nobody but the rich and powerful men who control it, whose goal is to actually do away with America in favor of a one world government/dictatorship.
     
  2. seamonster66

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    I have a feeling that if the majority looked at it that way, they could not really go on in the conditions that they are in. I do believe that some see it that way though, there have been suicides and outspoken ex soldiers that have spoken out, some even running for political office now.
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Here is what war criminal and globalist frontman Henry Kissinger had to say about the troops in his autobiography:

    "Military men are nothing but dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"

    This is the same war pig who was behind a war that sent tens of thousands of American soldiers to an early grave.

    Anyone thinking of joining the military should remember that quote by Kissinger, because that pretty much sums up how they all feel.
     
  4. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    You know, I read "Years of Renewal" by Henry Kissinger, and do not recall him saying anything of the sort. He had nothing but praise for the field troops, it was the war pig Generals he took pleasure in insulting.

    Rat, you're such an intelligent person, you have amazing thoughts on social change. Why is it necessary for you to embellish or believe someone else's embellishment? You realize I'm going to call you on it everytime. Hating the footsoldier for doing his job is dumb. He doesn't decide where to go and whom to shoot. In that sense, they are mindless pawns. And don't kid yourself, man; you're being elitist and hateful toward someone who in more cases than not, wasn't intelligent enough to get a day labor job.

    But the world needs ditchdiggers too, ya know? We can't all have jobs like... well, what is it you do for a living again?

    We all dislike the current administration but spreading that kind of hate earns you exactly zero credibility with anyone able to think for themselves, and that's what it's all about, right? Thinking for yourself and not being led around by a nosering? Right? Or do you have some other agenda? Why are you still fighting the battles that we fought... BEFORE YOU WERE BORN??? You are not going to change history my friend. Why don't you put this much effort into affecting change for the future?

    Finally, Henry Kissinger negotiated an end to hostilities in VietNam. He was secretary of state from 1973 to 1977 and had absolutely no hand in the planning and execution of military operations in the indochinese theater from it's inception in the late 1950s.. He was a special assistant to the president for National Security for a short time prior to becoming SecState but prior to that he was a faculty member at Harvard University.

    If you're going to spread lies, at least make them good ones.

    I look forward to your next few syllables with baited breath.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."

    -- Henry A. Kissinger, quoted by Monika Jensen-Stevenson, Kiss the Boys Goodbye, Dutton, 1990, Page 97, citing The Final Days, Woodward and Bernstein (Simon & Schuster, 1976)

    The only part I was wrong about is that this quote derives from Kissinger's autobiography. It is a quote from Kissinger, nonetheless, taken from the book entitled Kiss the Boys Goodbye (1990).

    I can see Kissinger playing the part of a "good liberal," pretending to be against war, when he was in fact a key player in the Vietnam war. It needs to be understood that Kissinger is a Nazi in every aspect but name, and his role extended far beyond that of Secretary of State. Kissinger was literally the one running the show. He was the one controlling the Nixon (and Ford) administration. Kissinger was a plant who was working in tandem with the Global Elite, who are the true masters. Much of what Kissinger has done, was done behind the scenes. Kissinger's subversive role in US history is immense, and still continues to this day as he still sits on the board of Elite groups, such as his own "Kissinger Associates".

    War generals are nothing more than useful idiots who take orders from their masters. When Kissinger accuses the war generals of being warmongers, it's almost too painfully hypocritical to believe since Kissinger has played a HUGE role in major global events over the course of a 10-year period. The war generals don't make the rules, they merely enforce the rules of people in high places SUCH AS HENRY KISSINGER. Basically, Kissinger was accusing himself of being the warmonger, pretending that he was against a war he helped to engineer. This is how sick this man is. This is how arrogant he is!

    VIETNAM WAS ENDED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO STARTED IT!

    Go figure.

    Don't be so easily sold by these people, when most of it is all scripted rhetoric. These people know how to lie, and they know how to play the role.

    Is it any surprise that Bush's first pick to head the 9/11 Commission was none other than Hans Kissinger? Of course this fell through when people saw this obvious conflict of interest, which stands out like a sore thumb even when compared to the conflicts of interest in the actual 9/11 Commission itself.

    The man is a blatant war criminal, and I am surprised anybody could defend him. Let alone accuse me of not knowing I am talking about by a person who said that Kissinger had nothing to do with Vietnam and/or foreign policy. His role in foreign policy was huge from 1969-1977. Keep in mind that Kissinger was Secretary of State for Nixon before he became Secretary of State for Gerald Ford. You say Kissinger helped to end the Vietnam war. Yeah, he also played a major role in the war when it was at its height.

    Do you also approve of Kissinger's foreign policy against Cambodia? How about his dealings with the genocidal Chinese? Yeah, I am sure he's really looking out for people like you, who actually have the gall to defend him. I really never looked at you as having that sort of neocon mentality.

    Of course you could be thinking of a different Kissinger, or maybe a different person altogether. In that case, it's understandable.
     
  6. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    If I wasn't alternately outraged and entertained by your conspiracy theory BULLSHIT I'd put your dumb ass on ignore. I was born in the city where you live, most of my family still lives there, I've been listening to this shit all my life. I grew up, moved away, experienced life on my own and after a few years I realized that mecca of liberalism and feminism that is Rochester is a joke to everyone else. I wore our countries uniform in a non-combat role for 13 years and I'm still so liberal I'd make you look like you'd vote for GW a third time. The difference is I don't spout unresearched, unchecked, unreliable shit and claim it as fact. You really should stop reading Art Bell's website.

    Now go put your tinfoil hat back on and write me an essay about flouridated water, fool.
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Why the belligerence?

    I sense a lot of animosity from you towards me, and I'm not quite sure why. I don't ever remember saying anything to you that would warrant such venomous attacks. I guess you would simply rather attack than discuss intelligently, like an adult.

    I really don't know what where I live has to do with anything, let alone the topic at hand. The only reason I live here is because I was born here, and I don't have the money to move. I don't have a job that pays tons of money. I am a patient care assistant in a hospital, and I only get paid $13 an hour. That's not a lot these days.

    Still, Rochester isn't half as bad as some places I've been.... like suburban Connecticut.

    But please don't associate me with Rochester yuppie-libs who wear LL Bean and suck down lattes all day in a trendy Park Ave. cafe. I am not even a liberal.

    You are entitled to your own opinion about me and the things I say, as I am entitled to my own opinion about you and your juvenile, assholish behavior. But please, don't accuse me of following Art "company man" Bell (Baal). If I wanted disinformation and lies, I'd turn on FOX News.
     
  8. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    Those are the two most sensible things you've ever posted. Bravo.

    I think what I'm trying to say is that I lived through all that. Reading someone else's take on the backchannels or some heroin addicted vet's take, or worse, Woodward and Bernstein's version is masturbation to me. Effort with no tangible result. Done here.
     
  9. Last Stand

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    Maybe your pawn by your wife or girlfriend maybe even a guy.
     
  10. indian~summer

    indian~summer yo ho & a bottle of yum

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    i have a friend in the army and i've know others in the army too
    mind you its the canadian army but never the less
    my friend works for the army during the week and on the weekends when he's on leave he comes home and gets pissed like fucking ripped and always on a bottle of drambuie
    i don't see how that is a good thing but even if he wanted out of the army once they hook you in its really difficult to get out
    one guy that was in my class this past year was in the army but he got out and now all of his art work (i was in an art program in college) is really fucked up
    and even to this day the military are still after him
    these people may be pawns but it is not their fault
    pay homage to the corupt men that fuel the army
     
  11. Last Stand

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    Once your in you are fuck is part of military life. We cant blame the soldiers if the civilians who voted the politicians in dont stand up the to the fuck face they voted in .
     
  12. Lodog

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    I served from 2000-2005... I joined for the experience, job security, and future college money. I served my time and got out. The spectrum of people I met in uniform range from brainwashed idiot to smart motherfucker. Most were sitting ducks for the system to take advantage of them, but a few took advantage of the system. I never went to Iraq. People hated me cause they'd outrank me and I'd have a cush job in my own office while they had shit. Smarts always win. I knew how to take care of business. Drugs fucked me up towards the end damnit but I never lost my smirk....
     
  13. wiccan_witch

    wiccan_witch Senior Member

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    I just wanted to say that Rat you have changed soooo much on here since I joined up 6 years ago! I have suspected many of the things you have been saying lately are true. My step father has said many similar things to you, but on the AIDS epidemic as a mode of population control.
     
  14. Lodog

    Lodog Senior Member

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    He doesn't talk about music so much, but other than that I see no major differences.
     
  15. wiccan_witch

    wiccan_witch Senior Member

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    hahaha hes WAY nicer to people than he used to be. A lot less cutting and sarcastic. But yes the music thing has gone, although I had some WICKED arguments with him when I was 15 and he was 19 in the music forum about the Rolling Stones. Now I'm 21... man I feel old.
     
  16. wiccan_witch

    wiccan_witch Senior Member

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    ...almost 21 :p
     
  17. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    Outside of Logan, some of you have no idea what it's like. You loathe the people you work for and with, far too many spent hours watching "Apocalypse Now" and dreaming of the day they could burn through a village killing everything in sight. They think that's what they were trained to do. Almost everyone wants to be Billy Badass, and you're always getting challenged to something. The leadership was weak. "These things happen", they say. Alcoholism is rampant. Drug use is still there despite all efforts. Overseas, abuse of indigenous peoples is disgusting. Local laws don't matter because the Uniform Code Of Military Justice is all there is and that's not enforced because retention rates are always low. And you are absolutely correct, the overabundance of the weak-minded makes it easy to get stuck in uniform and be there for life. And when you get out, all you have is a piece of paper that says you went somewhere and did something. The worst part is that there are complete morons out there who think you have a choice to do what we think is right. You don't. You do what you are told to do or you spend time in a lockup. Or worse, in time of war, you take the chance of getting shot by your own people. Yes, it happens.

    I cherish many of the memories I have of my time in the Air Force. I take pride in the fact that although I did spend time in the Middle East during the early 90s I never touched a weapon outside of a firing range. And the most important thing I can do is make sure my children, their friends, the children of my friends and my cousins, nieces and nephews never put on a uniform. You're a slave for the rest of your life if you do.
     
  18. Last Stand

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    That also apply to police officers in this country .
     
  19. Last Stand

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    are you alergic to guns?
     
  20. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    No. I purposely chose a non-combat role, so I had to qualify but never was required to carry one.
     
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