people who use bi-polar as an excuse for their actions is bull crap

I think it is just people making a stupid excuse for their actions. I do not think bi-polar exists and it is just putting a label on someones personality.

almost everyone I know has some sort of mania or natural up feel good feeling sometimes. yet if you say that you have this feeling to anyone psychtriast then he will wanna prescribe you some pills. I feel bad for any person who was tricked by a psychtriast and put on those evil pills that destroy your natural wonderful mind you were born with.

 

I don't think it's a made up illness, but alot of the people diagnosed with it don't actually have it.

 

having grown up with a mother who was severely bi-polar I can say for certain it is real.
Her being up for days at a time doing crazy shit followed by 2 weeks in bed in severe depression and six suicide attempts, it's real.

True bi-polar illness is NOTHING like you or your friends getting the blues on occasion or feeling a bit manic and energized.
If you lived with/through it you would know what I'm talking about, if not, than you have no ground from which to speak.

 

I agree with easygoing and Herman.

It is probably misdiagnosed quite often.

My theory is that people who have never been diagnosed with a mental illness are generally people that have never been to a psychiatrist.

They are financially motivated to diagnose and prescribe.

 

I was trained to stay up for days.. Discharged and told I had bi polar mania.. Then PTDS.. which O thought was personalized transsexual domination syndrome.. sadly it is not.. But if I put on my naughty nurse skirt. I can treat myself..

you want a treat?..

 

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Cheers Glen.

 

My wife pushed me into going with her to see a counselor, and then proceeded to tell the counelor what a lout I was until the counselor gave me a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder.

My wife was satisfied with that, and left me to come by myself to the counselor in order to be cured of my affliction. After talking to me by myself for a couple sessions without my wife there, the counselor said, "I don't think you're narcissistic at all!"

That's cuz the true situation was that my wife suffered from projective controlling bitch disorder.

On the other hand, I have a stepdaughter who is diagnosed as bipolar. If she goes off her meds, one of the first things that happens is she gradually stops sleeping, and cleans everything in sight. Very shortly after follow the delusions.

For example, one time when I had hardly spoken to her for some time, I was in my bedroom on my bed with my computer, minding my own business, when in pops Rachel with a big smile and says, "Hey Dad, I think it's really cool that you're the devil! But I tricked you!!!" And out she goes again.

And she gradually loses the ability to function much at all, has scary delusions and false memories of terrible experiences, goes into depressive state and talks about having a feeling she's going to die, says that she's evil and she should kill herself...and etc.

That's true bipolar disorder. When she's on her meds, she's happy, productive, and functioning at a very high level. Bipolar disorder really does exist.

 

I believe forms of depression exist, only because my mother was "manic depressive" which is bi-polar now and she was suicidal for years and years.

What gets me is that people who have these illnesses (those who legitimately have it) and don't care to help themselves and only use the pills to make them better. The pills don't cure the illness...YOU have to cure it yourself...I just wanna tell these people to shit or get off the fuckin pot and start forcing yourself out of it. I've had many bouts of depression, as we all have, and have pulled myself out every time. Fuck the meds

 

I think there are degrees of bipolar disorder, and degrees of depression. I've fought depression all my life, and I know how to get out of it without meds, though it's still very hard sometimes. However there is no possible way that my stepdaughter could "force herself out of" being unable to sleep for days and having delusional thoughts. That's seriously messed up brain chemistry.

 

And that's when you get meds to help yourself overcome it. I'm talking about the people who just use the meds as an escape without wanting to actually overcome the illness because they think the meds do it all for them

 

When are people going to fucking understand that MOST if not ALL psychological disorders of this type are BIOLOGICAL in nature and COMPLETELY BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE PERSON!

Why don't you go tell someone with type 2 diabetes that they just need to "help themselves" and the problem will go away.
Or someone who was born with Downs syndrome that it is all in thier mind and to "help themselves" to get better.

It is EXACTLY the mentality that you lovelyxmalia and rugor express here that has kept such illness's from getting the type of medical attention they need.

I am always completely astonished at the level of just plain ignorance that still exists these days. Fucking A!, your sitting at your keyboard and have access to the internet..
EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Educate myself? Apparently you didn't read my initial post...so let me elaborate, Captain "Educate Yourself"...

I do believe these illnesses exist. However, more and more people are just using the meds as a crutch for the illness and not helping themselves get over the hump. My mother had a dozen suicide attempts, two of them being very very close and after a few years of GOOD PSYCHOLOGICAL TREATMENT, she overcame this with the bare minimum of Wellbutrin/Zoloft/Klonopin/Trazadone and whatever else they prescribed her. Now, she is only on Trazadone due to insomnia she's had since she was a kid.

It is not the mentality that Rugor and I have...its the people that abuse the illness and can't get outta their own fuckin way! Depression is a genetic thing, yes, but when it comes to psychological disorders, it all depends on how you live your life in order to overcome them.

Let me give you an example...my father died in November. My brother and I were and still are absolutely devastated this happened...however, for the sake of not becoming suicidal, we make the most of when he was here. HIS FAMILY, who don't work, don't contribute anything to society, and don't do anything but whine and bitch about everything in their lives are heading down a brutal road of depression/anxiety over this. Their minds are mush because they ALLOWED it to happen to them, as opposed to taking a stronger and mentally healthier route and go on with their lives (and they have had the opportunities too, trust me).

So before you go calling me and Rugor ignorant, think about the assholes you know that abuse these "happy pills" and cry "depression" every waking second because they blew a tire on their way to work or they burnt the damn chicken they were cooking for dinner.

 

You've clearly never experienced a debilitating mental illness if you think like that.

 

I probable don't have "real" bipolar though my doctor is happy with that label and the pills i take do nothing so it's perfect. (I'm taking them to help my case to get off of my suspension)

Though it was really helpful to get a diagnosis, I guess I felt it was my fault that I would have crying fits in the shower or hide my self in dark places and cry. Or get really angry and hurt people. I felt that I had failed that if only I had better self control or better dedication. I would be studying as oppose to doing coke or sleeping instead of committing arson.

It was just nice to know that the surges weren't normal that I wasn't entirely failing that other people don't feel like they're being drowned, or can't sleep because they see images of rape or murder.

I say I don't have "real" bipolar because now that I know that I have a slight chemical defect I can manage myself without medication (since my pills do nothing) Now I make sure I sleep even when I'm not tired. I eat regularly. I don't get wasted and I calm down or go home even before I really want to because in the end I really don;t want to.

sure people get over diagnosed but in my personal experience it helped to have some doctor consider a chemical weakness underneath the emotional complication.

 

i have bi polar, and i wouldnt say its a made up illness. maybe its misdiagnosed sometimes but thats the same with other things, they can never get it all right every time..xox

 

Perhaps the "definition" of bi-polar has changed over the years, but what you are/have described seems more than bi-polar. There seem to be characteristics of schizophenia in there. Years ago, it was even accepted that in (true) schizophrenia, there is a definite imbalance.
To me, someone that must not go off their meds, someone who cannot "just get over it", is a person with a chemical imbalance. Really, that is just common sense.

That is not to discount those with severe depression, or manic-depressive tendencies (which I know I have had through the years, with the past few years being "much better".) There could be a type of chemical imbalance in someone with severe depression or in the grips of a manic-depressive attack.

Other than that (^those specific illnesses I described above), I think the medical community is WAY TOO quick to label a person, any person...and bi-polar does seem to be one of the favorite labels of the day.

and byw - Love your wife's diagnosis...I wonder if I've worked with her soul-twin around here.

 

Yeah I feel you man I don't think kidney stones or cancer exist even though I have zero medical training. But like, just speculating from my completely unqualified and inexperinced position. Because people feel uncomfortable and ill all the time and it's nothing but a cold or natural pain.

In seriousness, your speculation means very little. The human brain is the most complex organ on the planet. Like other organs, it goes wrong and causes illness. I think it's best we leave those with qualifications to investigate what those illnesses are and how they function.

Like some of the others here, I've known someone with manic depression. There was simply no mistaking it. This person was fucking nuts 50% of the time and sobbing for the rest of it. I've also known melancholic depressives and again, it's unmistakable. I personally have had mental health problems which, although with some very hard work were fixable, felt overwhelming.

 

It's not bull crap at all. I hate having it...

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I hate all these 'mental illness is fake' threads that keep coming up.

 

I believe, and I've been diagnosed with it twice, that it's just a cop out. Just an excuse to be out of control. I've taken no medication for six years and been perfectly fine. I realize all the drama that led to that diagnosis was just that... Me being dramatic.

If you aren't in control of your own body and mind who is? Get a grip on that shit

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