I'd be disinclined to beleive CCF --Center for Consumer freedo-- a front group for the restaurant, tobacco and alcohol industries. This is called spin, folks. Lets see where they get their money: http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom#2002_Contributions top two contributors: Tyson and Excel/Cargill: the top two meat processors in the nation. If, however, PETA's adoption rate is not good out of the shelter, perhaps the animals should go to a better/ busier shelter. disclaimer: NOT a fan of PETA.
oohhhhh and the itty bitty link at the botton gives this info: PR firm for chain restaurants. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Berman_&_Co.
Yup, but I don't see you challenging the facts... Obviously the way it's presented is spin, but the facts alone make peta hypocrites... Not that anyone should care, because we all know what peta is.
not challenging because I don't have any additional info. SOME people think through things. My point is the info is from another advocacy site. Had it been a news report investigated by a journalist, well, I'd still want the link to the original data, but I'd be more inclined to accept what was written as fact. Remind the people in the thread what YOU do, Jim. dm reporter
Animal shelters can't let anyone adopt animals that don't pass certain criteria. When animals are brought in to a shelter and their owners are known they are evaluated for trauma caused by the owner which is used to prosecute them. They then bring the animal back to the best possible health they can and document it for even more evidence against the owner. After that they can evaluate if the animal is eligible for adoption. In a lot of cases the animal just isn't going to make a very good pet anymore. If they adopt out a bad animal their liability goes way up and that's not good. They can't continue to stock pile these bad animals either. Their only choice is to put the animal down as humane as possible. Also, if an animal isn't adopted after a certain period of time, you have to decide whether it ever will be. There are to many new animals coming in and you have to make room for those animals and for animals that are more likely to be adopted. The article sounds very one-sided and isn't about to spell out anything truthful. Just another example of BS journalism.
Anyone ever watch Penn & Teller's Bullshit? They have receipts for a large meat freezer that PETA bought. They also have records of payment to known fire-bombing terrorists...
(quote) Cool. Non-violent revolution is a hopeless dream. (end quote) Finally something we can all agree on! BURN THE WITCHES!
While I do not agree with much of the PETA platform you can’t be blind to the obvious bias of that site.
i've seen that a few times, but i haven't caught that particular episode. but just out of curiosity, how is a meat freezer different from any other freezer? do they make vegetable freezers? maybe they were trying to firm up a lot of tofu? i'm not down with peta, i just question what they were using the freezer for. you know, a vegetarian might buy a butcher knife for cracking coconuts. although it's intended use is for meat, it can still be used in vegan ways.. perhaps the same goes for petas meat freezer?
The size of the freezer they bought is only used for two things - storing meat, and storing carcasses. It was one of the large walk in freezers... PETA actually released a press statement saying that "...somtimes the only kind options for some animals is to put the to sleep forever." 'nuff said
Any one running an animal shelter is going to have to put down/put to sleep/kill some animals. Number comming in, space avaliable, and number going out determine how many. I can imagine many reasons why PETA's shelter would have an abnormaly low adoption rate. (By the way, I don't recall if their adoption rate was higher or lower than other local shelters.) This whole issue of PETA's shelter is bulloney. It is an ad hominim argument against PETA's positions on other things.
I find it all somewhat hard to believe. I dislike PETA, but these accusations seem illogical. And I wouldn't take Pen and Teller's word on it, either. Bullshit is an entertaining show, but it's about as reliable as Family Guy, and it's not exactly difficult to write up a fake receipts. Pen and Teller hate PETA, remember, because they used to give them crap when they used animals in their acts.
though some of what's said in there may be true... i still have to say we can NEVER believe what any campaign tells us. humans are humans and they will lie to make themselves or what they stand for look better. I don't exactly agree with the way particular sects of PETA handle things, but around here the group is peaceful. all the protests are privately organized by normal, caring vegetarians around the area ... I guess it all depends on how radical you get yourself into it. I could never let myself be suckered into the drastic things they come up with at times... being a part of PETA isn't bad unless you take it to the extreme. The one thing I didn't particularly care for on this site is the fact that they stated PETA was sending a bad message.... a bad message to care for animals and/or go vegan? I don't see how caring about other life forms is a bad message. Every organization has it's corruptness. Whenever a group of people come together things go wrong and contradict certain things they may preach. look at religions, they do the same. you cant personally attack any one organization for being corrupt or hypocritical... it happens everywhere, especially the larger it becomes...
I have nothing against puttin animals to sleep, sometimes it is neccesary, but PETA is litterally violently apposed to putting animals to sleep. So much that they endorse and encourage protests infront of and around animal shelters... And then turn around and kill animals themselves.