Pit Pei

I am considering mating my Shar Pei girl with my dads Pit Bull boy. Never having heard of any cross breeding like this, I am interested to hear if anyone has any experience anything remotely like this, just to get an idea of what to expect.

I am confident it will be a good mix, both adorable dogs with great qualities.

Pit Pei? Shar Bull? Shar Pit? Hmmm.....

 

Sounds like the dog will be powerful, and may be a very good one person dog. Also the person needs to be on top of dominance.

 

One person dog? Why would you say that?

From what I've seen of both the breeds, they're very placid and friendly, I've had my Pei 2 years, and my family has had Pitties for 20 years, never bitten anyone or shown any sign of aggression toward people.

 

You posted and was interested in some opinions. I just shared what I thought the dogs might turn out like.
BTW, they are lots and lots of pittie and pei mixes in the shelter.

 

Which shelter?

I think perhaps your making a silly assumption.

 

Oh whatever. You posted on here wanting to know what people think. Im sorry if its not exactly what you wanted to hear.

BTW, here in the USA shelters are OVERFLOWING with pitpulls, sharpeis, and chows and their various mixes.

Im done posting on this thread.

 

Breeding should be outlawed or severely restricted until all shelter animals are in a safe home. Breeding dogs and selling them/giving them away makes the seller and the buyer directly responsible for the death of shelter animals.
This isn't a personal attack, I just can't stand how many animals die each year because they are homeless and did nothing wrong, while people want to force their animals to become parents. It just seems so selfish. And who says your dog *wants* to have puppies? Forcing pregnancy and labour on another creature seems wrong.
I politely ask that you not resort to name calling as in previous posts.

I highly encourage you to go to the shelter. I am not sure how it is in Australia, but if you are insistent on getting another dog, please save a life.

 

While I too agree with restrictive breeding, you need to stop personifying cats and dogs.

They don't think like people(any biology and animal psych book will tell you this). Non-human animals mate and have babies according to instinct not rational thought. A dog doesn't sit there and go "hmmm. I want a puppy..I'm gonna go get pregnant". She goes into heat and nature tells her to have puppies not her thought process. She doesn't think about whether or not she wants puppies, she just mates when her body tells her too or if denied mating, she walks around whining and bleeding everywhere.

Bitches aren't forced to copulate, the breeders wait until she's in estrus and put her with a viable male. She can't get pregnant when not in heat. They aren't like people, no matter how much you try to make them seem so.

It's like when PeTA compares honey bee farming to rape. Ugh.

 

I wasn't saying animals are people. I was simply stating that we, as people who have domesticated animals, have the responsibility f taking care of them and not contributing ot needless suffering or death for the sake of "cute puppies". It matters not if they "think like people". The fact is that irresponsibility is why there are so many animals in shelters killed each year.
You did ask opinions. I gave mine. I am not looking for an argument.

 

Yeah, and all people in the world should learn to live together......but it wont happen, so accept it and move on.

 

you can be part of the solution or part of the problem though. ignoring problems isn't a great way of dealing with them. I am sure if you take care of your animals that a shelter animal would be glad to call you dad. Just a thought. They are grateful once they're out!

 

I have a 7 week old pitbull cross sharpei puppy.She is tan with black muzzle she has shape tail eyes ears and smooth coat of pitbull and wrinkles of sharpei although not as extreme as purebred sharpei basically a really wrinkly pitbull.
Her mum is a pitbull and dad a sharpei.All i can say about temprement is she is a typical playful nippy puppy and i cant wait to see what she will look like full grown. At the moment she is adorable but i have never seen a puppy like this before as she is a very rare mix and i would not advise ownership of one of these dogs to a novice owner and experience of bullbreeds would be a big help. In the right hands i think they will make great dogs.

I prefer Pit Pei, this got the most results when searching on internet.

 

Breeding dogs is a full time job. A career for people who really KNOW what they are doing. Shelters are full of "cute" mutts that happened when someone's unspayed dog got out, and got pregnant. Or someone thought, "Oh, what a cute mix that would make." The majority of these "cute puppies" are put to sleep. "Cute" doesn't translate into neccesarily saleable pups. And breeding is EXPENSIVE.

Even people who KNOW breeding know it takes years and a number of litters for you to become trusted and to actually make a profit. Even common breeds, recognized by the AKC, will not bring you a profit and you may not get rid of all the pups, unless you know what you are doing.

Questions for breeding:

• Do you know how to properly breed dogs?
• Do you have the minumum $1000 to $2000 start up fee, for Vet costs (the Bitch and the Dog have to pass a number of health tests before breeding and the Bitch needs constant Vet care during her pregnancy and after) Do you have the money and time and ability to build a whelping box, or the money to have one built for you? (You don't want your Dam giving birth under a bed, or in a closet or in a hole in the yard.)
• Do you know how to line up buyers BEFORE the pups are born? (We buy Malamutes and we had most of our pups lined up and paid for before they were conceived or at the latest, during the first few weeks of the Dam's pregnancy.)
• Do you know what to do in a Maternity Emergency? WIth the Dam or the pups?
• Do you know how to use Pitocin? How to recessitate a nonbreathing pup? To help a Dam make more milk? What to do if she rejects one or all of the pups? Do you know how to look for retained pup fetuses? This is one of the most common causes of Dam Maternity deaths. Do you know how to diagnose and treat Uterine Infection? Do you know what to do for a pup who is not presenting properly and is blocking himself and all the other pups from the birth canal?
• Do you have a Vet who makes house calls during the middle of the night, in case of Distocia, retained fetui, heamoragge of the Dam, or breathing problems in the pups? He will requre payment in advance and sometimes even pick of the litter. IF he wants that type of dog, or has a buyer in mind.
• Do you KNOW that this type of Mutt will sell?
• What will you do with any and maybe all pups if they do not sell? Remember, you may pay up to $3,000 to breed the Bitch, take care of her and the pups during pregnancy, during delivery and during the post partum time. And if the Dam requires a C Section, you will also have to pay for that in advance as well as knowing when this procedure is needed. (A Dam who is retaining pups often has few signs, although some will continue to strain. Usually once a few of the pups are born, you cannot see them from the outside anymore. you need to know if there is a dystocia, to save your Dam and any pups.)
• Are you ready to hand feed the entire litter, every 2 hours, round the clock, if the Dam rejects them? Do you know the proper milk supplemnet to use or how to milk a Dam? Will she let you milk her? (As pups raised from birth on Puppy Formula instead of Mother's Milk will have a much higher pup death rate, but more lifelong health problems. And GOOD buyers will refuse to buy "handreared" pups. My dh and I would NEVER buy a hand reared pup. We see our pups before we buy them, to make sure the Dam has good temperment, and is nursing them properly.)

There are more questions than that. But today's domesticated dogs CANNOT just be expected to "just take care of the birth themselves" you would easily end up with a dead Dam and dead pups, if you leave her on her own.

 

You don't breed dogs, do you? Yes, she has to be in Heat, but only 3 days of her 3 week Heat is likely to result in pregnancy. Alll of the time, in anything other than accidental breeding, the Bitch and the Dog are picked for traits like temperment and resistance to congentital disease and put together, in a quite room, with the breeders helping. An unexperienced Bitch will USUALLY try to run the first time. (sometimes an inexperienced Dog may run as well, but not as often, a Dog sometimes will try to get away after the breed, before the Tie is over, though, injuring himself. In the Wild, wolves and wild dogs have WATCHED their Pack Mates breed, so they know what to do, most home dogs know nothing about sex.) Also, in high scale breeding, artificial insemination is also used, to guarentee a litter.

I know breeders who have had to teach both Dog and Bitch how to breed. As often an unexperienced Bitch may try to run, while they are still tied, which could result in terrible injury to both dogs. (Think penile and vaginal injury. Dogs "tie" as the vagina swells after a successful coupling, for up to an HOUR. They have to be kept calm and quiet, so neither is injured. Many Dogs who accidentally mate "on the street" get permanant injury from trying to get away during the tie, or when someone panics and tried to pry them apart or throws water on them. Improper breeding can result in sterility of both Dog and Bitch.

 

Yup

 

It is completely irresponsible to breed mixes, in my opinion. The only reason to breed is to better a breed, and you can't do that if you are breeding mixes. Breeding is an extremely expensive hobby when done properly. My groenendael will be bred on her next heat, and the amount of time and money I've spent to make sure that she is the best she can be and will help to improve the breed is absolutely outrageous, but something that needs to be done in order to be sure that you are creating high quality dogs. I am also involved in rescue because I believe that all breeders should be involved in helping those who weren't bred responsibly.

Both shar peis and pits have numerous outrageous genetic health problems that need to be taken into account, and both would need to be health certified (which can not be done by a vet). Both should also be titled so that you know you are producing puppies from good quality dogs. The dogs' pedigrees need to be thoroughly researched for genetic and temperment problems so you'll need to find a mentor that will be willing to help you, however, responsible pit bull and shar pei breeders will not help you if they know you are mix breeding. Pit bulls commonly have difficulty during birth. Are you willing to risk your dog's life? If your dog is under two years of age, she is not physically ready for her first litter, and if she is over 3, her hips have already fused and it will be more difficult for her to deliver. Are you ready to face the realities of pups born with severe deformaties?

All in all, breeding isn't something to be taken lightly. It isn't don just to see what the offspring would look like, or just because you want a puppy for "free," etc. It's something that should be done to better a breed because there are too many irresponsible people out there ruining them and creating more dogs to be added to shelters.

 

Thats what I said on another thread about breeding Pugs and Beagles. (Puggles) Its just unnecessary, and there are tons of mixed breeds in shelters that need homes...get one of those instead of breeding a mut!

 

I worked for a veterinarian who specialized in canine fertility. Most breeders never make a profit on their puppies, they sometimes do make enough to pay the bills. Often not. MOST of the breeding done in this clinic were done artificially. Maggie was right, alot of dogs just don't know how to mate. I have seen dogs try and mate with the wrong end, I have seen bitches get frightened and run or turn on the dog. Did you know that some breeds are PHYSICALLY UNABLE to whelp naturally and need to have planned cesarians or the bitch and pups will die? Alot to think about!

 

You'd better believe it! I spend about $100 a week on dog supplies. I spent $40 on her CERF eye exam and certification, and $200 to have her hips and elbows OFA X-rayed and certified. I've spent almost into the thousands on just trial and show entries and lessons. What I get from her litter? Two puppies. No money. She is co-owned with her breeder until after her first litter, then I will be able to breed her and sell the puppies myself. And what will I get for them? Money, but it will make up for about 1/10th of what I spend on her yearly.

Breeding is terribly expensive when done correctly. You buy the puppy, you feed it and buy toys for it, pay for vets bills, pay for training, pay for grooming, pay entry fees for shows and trials, pay gas money to drive all over to get to shows and trials, pay for health certifications, pay for seminars, then when the dog is finally ready to breed at 2-3 years of age, you pay to have your kennel name registered, you pay a stud fee, pay for vets bills, pay for breeding supplies..then when the puppies are born, you pay for whatever they require (docking/cropping/dewclaw removal etc), pay for vet bills, pay for food, pay for papers....And of course you have to have money saved up incase something goes wrong. The dog may need an emergency C-section, or the bitch may turn on the stud when they are mating and they could tear eachother apart, or a puppy may hav health issues...And even before the breeding, the female may develop pyometra and need an emergency spay..then the next year you go through it all over again. By selling 8 puppies for $700 each, that's nothing compared to what's being spent. Breeding isn't for people that want a "pet." Breeding is for people that want an athlete -- a dog that will excell in whatever it does and is able to pass that on. And they have to remember, it's a heck of alot more high maintenance than just a pet.

This is my dog...She will have some excellent pups, I hope.

 

She is gorgeous! Whats her name and whats her breed?