Privatizing Public Schools

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Eleven, Mar 22, 2014.

  1. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    On your last paragraph about luxury items like coffee and the latest cell phones, and then complaining about local taxes for schools, we agree.

    The school day should be extended, and in some case boarding schools might be more appropriate for those who have to return to dangerous and stressful neighborhoods, which is not conducive to learning academic material. (Negative stressor like becoming of victim of violence. has been linked to killing brain cells)

    But also accountability in terms how how that tax money for schools is allocated needs more transparency, and the money for "schools" in all those campaign ads, needs to be clearer, because legally money going to "schools", might mean it's being diverted into administrators rather than classroom materials, teacher salaries. In fact many times tax money gets earmarked for non-essential projects, and the public gets a bait-n-switch politically when they go to the voter polls. So that has to stop, and certain core essentials in education funding need to be identified so money doesn't get earmarked for stupid stuff.

    On the other hand, schools need leverage over irresponsible parents, who have truant children, or children who aren't being studious.

    Individual brings up a very good point that schools should not "babysit" problem children who refuse to study and decide to get attention from peers with bad behavior.

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    As for rating teachers, they're quality can be measured by their knowledge base of their material, the ability to convey that material in lecture in more than one format, and fluidly adjust between formats, and their ability to handle being "trolled" by students.

    Teachers quit, because they feel stuck between a rock and a hard place, and there isn't much they can do to counter bad parents, the system is set up for them to just endure, with little pay. That also has to change, have the parents be fined or have their student get put in on-campus suspension if it gets bad.

    If teachers were making 80-100K net, after taxes, I bet they'd reconsider quitting so fast.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    monkjr,

    I agree with everything up to the rating of teachers.
    While a knowledge of material is essential, it doesn't guarantee the ability to transmit that knowledge on to others.
    Lecturing is only one way of teaching, and probably one of the worse.
    Yes, but most of this is due to a lack of respect and internal student discipline. When I was in school, you would never, ever "troll" a teacher. (Said the old man). Those that did "disappeared". Today there is little parental or administrative support.

    Exactly, they are placed in a position of authority and then virtually all authority is removed.
    Suspension only works if the students have some measure of self worth. If they feel they have nothing to gain or loose it's worthless.
    True to some degree. But the constant attack on the profession and the lack of respect is a greater hindrance to longevity, in my opinion.
     
  3. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Well disagree I think, that both aspects of critiquing teachers, and school administration staff actually balance each other out, and that each suggestion alone, doesn't work because there's not check-n-balances in rating/feedback systems for self-improvement.


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    Also on a related tangent:

    The Geographical location of WHERE schools are located in relation to other parts of a city, also needs to be taken into account NATIONWIDE AT A FEDERAL (NOT STATE) LEVEL.


    Take Texas for example:

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

    ^Specifically the news report story in the broadcast of April 17th, 2014 titled: "No new safety rules since West, TX explosion"


    One must question, why our national's children are located near pollution emitting factories and industrial facilities.

    Ms.Maddow's News report cites that thousands of schools are within 1 mile! (ONLY 1 mi.!!!) from facilities like the one that had an industrial explosion that hurt people and property.

    In, TX's case, because it's a Republican state legislature that generally frowns on federal regulation, there's nothing of consequence or change that the State or Federal government can impose in reaction to the explosion that did a lot of destruction to local schools there.


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    This impacts education because now those (parents, students, and teachers alike) in the blast zone, probably have hearing problems, PTSD, and the impacts on a school's budget, is not meant to endure 3 local schools getting leveled. I don't think "rainy day" funds even entertain contingency plans in the case of such a financial setback.



    But also generally speaking, how is the pollution of being in such close proximity of industrial areas, impact the brain's ability to learn, and memorize, and produce a good behaved person, specifically like our young students.

    Is such pollution causing learning disabilities, and other developmental disorders that is going to impact future labor forces?

    So this is another aspect of our educational system in the USA that needs to change as well, and this topic is FAR from done because I don't even think we've discussed this yet.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Federal intervention? Good luck with that. Unfortunately our schools systems are full of local politics. Placement of buildings may depend on who owns what land, IMO. Also where would we get the funds to abondon old buildings, secure land and built new ones?
    We do not value education enough to make that commitment.
    I'm sure there are lots of studies on how various chemicals and environments inhibit brain function.
     
  5. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Two words: Eminent domain.

    Should be used in this case for the most vital resource of any nation. It's children.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Exactly. Now if I am a local, or state politician who happens to hold a very lucrative parcel of property, or know someone who does, or be willing to accept bribes from someone who does......where do you think the school is going to go? On the pristine property that is just waiting for the newest "million dollar a home" development, or the polluted slum land?

    If we had a public who cares we'd have top notch schools everywhere.
     
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