Psychedelic Bump XVI

i tasted 2.7 mg of 4-AcO-DMT fumarate earlier in my lab, to test for any adverse reactions. about an hour later, i ate 29.4 mg more (and some residue) to make for a total of ~32 mg...

it a little over an hour later now, and kicking in nicely. i'm really excited to have half a gram, well 468 mg, of this material!

maybe i'll go snow tubing in a bit, and combine this with a bong rip or two of some cannabis.

 

Tripped HARD yesterday on 4 hits (2 mgs) of 25I-Nbome. Went to some absolutely bizarre realms, was way more visual, stimulating and ridiculous than my first trip with it. Once again I'm extremely impressed by how powerful that trip is but at the same time my brain felt racked, and I think that's a trip I can't take too often.

 

Good day Hipforums. I will definately be bumping something big later - got the call big-time (as I have for the past 3 weeks) and had a flurry of crazy efficient activity the past three days. Husband is committing himself to hard day of football watching.

Now, I'd like to continue where we left of if you don't mind. Getting called out as abusive has truly intrigued me. And a couple of the replies made me feel a bit defensive. I think Voyage made a great point - none of us truly knows any of the others, only what is posted here. I don't post daily. HF is not the be all and end all of my existence. Please keep that in mind. I am sure that is true for most of you. Posting that I bumped 30 mgs of MXE for me means 30 mgs of MXE, no rebumps, no bumping the next day. It's all over in 5 hours, I'm back to reading, doing my duties, cooking dinner, tending my garden, etc.

I got called out on MXE. Why is this? Because I mentioned it a few times recently and started the Psychedelic Bump XV saying I was fiending. I said that because I did feel the seduction of that material and noticed I had been using more during a recent up cycle of use in general.

What no one seems to have noticed or commented on is my extended and dedicated break with MXE. I still have a vial with GRAMS in it. Most users seem to use until it's out, as far as I can determine, yet there my vial sits. With more on the way from a group buy.

MXE fascinates me, but my heavy personal use basically made me bored. I'm now moving on to 25I-NBOMe and combinations as well as continuing to focus on LSD combinations when the call strikes.

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From Noxious Gas, Psychedelic Bump XV, post #1009:

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Originally Posted by Spicey Cat View Post
Hmm, this is Interesting. Really? Or is this just an emotional statement to make a point?
A little of both.
I mentioned you and Writer because you both possess a lot of knowledge, book and experiential, in regards to psychedelics, yet have both had periods of use that could be deemed excessive or abusive.
My point in response to Writer's comments was that falling into an abusive usage pattern hasn't anything to do with knowledge or experience.

Used you guys to illustrate a point, I know you have made great strides personally in all aspects of life.
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And from Porkstock41, Psychedelic Bump XV, Post#1008:

just for the record spicey, it DID sorta seem to me that you were dosing MXE a lot. since you asked.

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Guys, I really respect your opinions on this - I see you as being similar psychonauts to myself and have the sense that you maybe have gotten to know me a bit this past year or two - even seen me get banned for a month.

So, in my own defense I'll say my MXE use was personally heavy. Compared to other users it was a joke. Both in terms of dose level and frequency of use. But I don't need to compare myself to others. Speaking personally here's what defines addiction and here's where I got with MXE:

Dependence. Nope - it's easy to get through a day, week, month etc, without dosing MXE.

Tolerance - Surprisingly lack thereof but some cross for other psychs if used within 8 days

An inability to stop use (this is a simple choice for me with almost no payback consequences with MXE other than mild cravings) and can be made when I still have large amounts of material handy.

Now abuse is another matter. I may have abused MXE a bit, but that's personally. For a good two months I was using it weekly, sometimes bi-weekly. One singular low dose that provided a few hours of euphoria and some mild dissociation. During this time I did a single huge M-Hole dose that yielded a trip crazy enough to be classified both under General Expereriences and Difficult Experiences when Erowid published the trip report.

I still love MXE and am not done with it. But the fascination is gone. And I know if I continue without big breaks the magic will soon be gone. Thus the detox break continues week after week after week and all is well.

Regarding other psychedelics, no way. Again I follow the call. Using weekly if I have met all my obligations, the call is strong, my intentions are good (and yep, I include euphoria, music enhancement, erotic enhancement to be good intentions at times, though usually my work is more healing/spiritual) seems as abusive as going to an intense religious service that lasts six hours involves intense music/singing and altered states, once a week. As stated sometimes this means weekly or even more frequent dosing. Other times it means taking months off. I don't dose on a schedule and I never will - to me that feels inauthentic and given nature of psychedelics is dangerous.

Ahh, the nature of psychedelics. This is what keeps me from being abusive and addicted. I know addiction and abuse and this isn't it. I abused LSD in the 1980's and paid for it. I abused DMT a couple of years ago and paid for it but also got some huge benefits. This is a spiritual and fun journey that has yielded more dividends in growth and personal healing than I or anyone close to me could have imagined possible in just a few years.

So, without feeling like fighting, I guess I say bring it on. I have nothing to fear, am not angered by observations or accusations and feel I understand myself, my intentions, my motivations and actions rather clearly.

 

thanks for addressing our concerns, spicey. it really only was MXE use that i noticed...and you had noticed too, so all is good.

 

Ya, I like the sun. I just rib about that snow stuff Cory... it's always cool to see ya here and I'm glad you're diggin your place in the cosmos. THAT's what's important

Glad to hear it's going well. Have an excellent time Sir.

I must have been doing something wrong with my tabs. Seems hard to fuck up... It was suggested I try them buccally (sp?) as in between the cheek and gum, leave them there a good long time. Good advice you think?

Maybe because the amount of posts people make about dosing vs breaks is like 30:1 on these threads? Just guessing...

Again, IME it's easier for many to ascribe abuse and/or addiction to drugs and gambling than say, sex or religious practice.

From your posts its seems like you're pretty balanced. From what I've seen in myself and others, when personal obligations and things you enjoy (like gardening, reading, etc) take a backseat to drug adventures, it's a big caution sign. It doesn't sound like that's even on your horizon.

 

Hey everyone, long time. I think I'm due for a 4 aces trip soon, wrapping up the album so I feel really good about things, figured I'd drop back in before I take the plunge next weekend. In the meantime, listen to some of my music if you like. http://soundcloud.com/ghost-array

 

^^good to see you around here, neuro. i gave one of your songs on FB a listen. i was surprised to hear "dubstep" if that's what it was. not bad though.

what's your favorite dose of aces/what does might you take next weekend. i could see maybe 40 or 45 next time for myself...

 

^^^ Liking the 3rd one... quite a grand sound. Best of luck with your work man...

 

Thanks for the listens. Ya I have some bass wobble in my songs, but more like Mt Eden than say Skrillex, if that means anything. I like it to be part of the song not the main feature. Working on metal stuff now. Melodic, psychedelic death metal with Pantera and Meshuggah-like grooves thrown in.

And the most I've done of 4-aco-dmt is 40mg with 20mg 2c-b. I'll probably dose 45-50mg of 4 aces by itself.

 

I've only taken 25i nbome sublingual, I just hold the tabs down under the tounge, don't swish them around for a good 10-15 minutes than swallow them. I find the 25I nbome trip gets progressively more bizarre as the trip progresses, I know you started drinking on your last trip, might have dulled out the effects somewhat. I was tripping really hard, I think that's a TR worthy trip but I'm gathering my bearings today.

 

That's essentially what I did and ya, I did pop a beer. The chronology tho was, 2 tabs, waited over an hour, 2 more and another hour or so later I threw in the towel.
Thanks for the input, glad you've enjoyed your experiences too. It'll be a few weeks before any other psychedelics.

 

GB, was your 1st dose two of those tabs?

 

so been waaay too long since i tripped and gonna dose

LSD or 4-ho-met or dipt or 5-meo-mipt or dpt in the next couple of weeks, hopefully this weekend. might even do a combo if i'm feeling like a mad one.

 

I had 3 tabs my first time.

 

Judge me as you see fit. I will still love you and listen to you all.

4 mgs 25I-NBOMe crystal insufflated (within 12 MINS flat - felt like I'd taken/absorbed 2x as much as last week - reverse tolerance?) + under 200 mikes LSD over 4.5 hours ago. Some of the craziest, off the wall synergy I have ever experienced. I have never been in the midst of something that felt so darned "engineered," yet so good.

All I can say is I'm glad the next 24 hours are completely unbooked. Ego is solidly ratched down but the visuals were approaching iboga flood dose with open eyes within first hour. 45-60 mins of not-that-funky body-load resolved into irrestiable euphoria and visionary level tripping. I'm naked and dancing. This would only work for me in public if at a Summer 3-Day festival.

Overheating would be all-too-easy, especially if indoors at a concert or rave.

This one's getting an Erowid tr and pardon my ego, but they'll publish it too.

 

sounds nice, RCs are beginning to interest me. i'll be trying 4-aco-dmt in the next few weeks, perhaps i will dip into some more RCs if i like that..
also, is erowid strict about what they publish?

 

EDIT: double post, oops.

 

I dig track two a lot, reminded me a bit of Adrua or Matta (good dubstep. For the record Skrillex is way over rated, nice to hear you can make similar distinctions between different styles of dubstep). What OS did you use, PC or Mac and what program(s), Cubase, Reason, ProTools, etc.?

Bump (I guess) for day two and a half dope free and even with kratom, Vistaril, clonidine, and Immodium it's always a bitch kicking. I think this is number nine in attempts to kick? Fuck last week was opioid heaven and now this...I will likely be going to court strung out like this, ugh...

Do 40 of dipt with 80 of dpt intramuscular!

 

Good to see you back Neuro, and dope tracks!

I think that Neon Motels was my favourite but I'm definitely feeling all of them. :2thumbsup:

 

YAY! Going to get back into some psychedelic exploration very soon i hope. Lucy is finally coming down to where i have recently moved (GA). Cannot wait for that.

Also thinking of maybe getting some 4aces as i have seen a few people here talking about it and i have only really tried it twice at relatively low doses.