so how do RCs compare to lsd? would it be recomended to a person who enjoys lsd greatly to try RCs? and if so, where to start?
It depends. Some people who really enjoy LSD may find that the RC's lack that special spark, or magic, that LSD has. Some people find that they actually prefer some of the RC's over LSD... basically, you just gotta give a few of them a try and see how you react. Everyone's different. Just don't expect any of them to be LSD like, none of them fully recreate the LSD experience. There's something different and unique about each one of them. I've heard the difference been described like this: LSD is a full symphony while each RC represents a different instrument playing in solo. I don't necessarily agree with that to the full extent, but it does sort of apply in a way. If you were only ever going to try one RC, I'd most likely recommend 2c-e or 2c-t-7 considering you are already an experienced psychonaut. If you were new to tripping, Id recommend something a little easier on the mind and body like 2c-b or 2c-i. There's also the whole realm of tryptamines that are worth considering, but my experience is mostly with the phenethylamines like 2c-e.
i guess it's worth giving a try. but there is a certain stigma attached to trying something called a research chemical. i wouldn't expect them to be exactly like lsd, just psychadelic-like. but they aren't going to have any kind of permanent negative effects or anything? or 'rock my world' and permenantly change my point of view, like with trying some other psychadelics for the first time. and if they do permenantly change my point of view, it won't be a bad thing? basically i just don't want to try something and have my mental capacity permenantly reduced or something.
nobody can say yet for sure what the negative effects of RCs might be.... the majority of people online don't seems to have reduced mental capacity. i would say to treat them with moderation.
They are psychedelics, and as such, have the ability to catalyze change as any psychedelic might. This sort of thing is not so much dependent on what chemical you take (LSD, mushrooms, 2c-whatever) but more to do with who you are, where you are in your life (spiritually, mentally), set and setting, etc. And, yes, they are "research chemicals". That's something you need to evaluate on your own before you begin researching. Some of them, like 2c-b, have been around for a long time and have been used by many many people. There doesn't seem to be more risk in using 2c-b compared to other classic psychedelics like LSD. Some people report HPPD, but really, that can occur from any psychedelic use it seems. Other chemicals like bromo dragonfly, for example, haven't been around for very long, so there is not much evidence one way or another. I'd recommend staying away from the more rare chemicals if you plan to take a more cautious approach to your research.
yeah i don't have a problem with the more stereotypical changes that psychadelics can cause, i was more worried about them causing like brain damage or something of the sort -- like the way that meth can totally destroy you. or for them to have some sort of atypical change in consciousness.
Well, you can never bee too sure when dealing with these chemicals. With that said, I'd say that most of the more common psychedelic research chemicals have shown fairly safe side effect profiles. They've been used often enough by enough people to show that they are likely safe enough when used in moderation. There still is no saying for sure, obviously. Your best bet is to stick to these chemicals that have been around for a long time. Research them as best you can. There are lots of resources for this online, including: erowid, wikipedia, hipforums, bluelight, etc. Some chemicals are dangerous, but generally, if you stick to the more well known and often used chemicals, you won't have much to worry about (except for, possibly, some long term problems that we don't know about that may show up many years down the road). Again, though, that is part of the risk you take. For an example of a dangerous chem, you could look into MPPP. MPPP is a opiod analgesic drug that has been manufactured underground for recreational purposes. In the original synthesis, MPTP was found as a major impurity in the final product. Unfortunetly, it was found that (from wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPPP
lsd is definitely stronger and much more loved by most then the majority of RCs. however, its like comparing LSD and shrooms. some people have a preference
^^this is very true, i found i enjoyed 2ce and or 2cb way more then LSD. but like said before everyone has different taste. and lsd was kinda getting boring for me lol
For someone just becoming exposed to the world of Shulgin's compounds....there are a lot out there, and it's your best bet to read the PiHKAL and TiHKAL entries (which you can for free on Erowid), as well as trip reports on these substances to form your own opinion on which would suit your fancy. The first "research chemical" I tried was 2C-I, which in my opinion is a good "beginners" phenethylamine, as it's very visual, euphoric, yet lacks the head-fuck of the other more well-known psychedelics such as LSD or mushrooms (the clear-headedness of phenethylamines is VERY different). However, I find that 2C-I is lacking in the mental psychedelic effects, which is why I don't find that one very interesting. 2C-E, on the other hand, is right up there among my favorites, and definitely is my favorite phenethylamine. In terms of bodily damage caused by RC's, the man who invented them has taken all of them many times, and remains one of the smartest people in the world. So, it's my opinion, that as long as you're careful with your mind, don't push things too far too fast, you should be able to enjoy these chemicals to their potential!
well, about 1hour, 10minutes ago, i consumed 1.6mg of DOC on a sweettart. many reports compare DOC and LSD, so i will ad a comparison as i progress. at this point, theres definitely oncoming effects, but the drug has made some of my muscles "clenched" feeling.
update on DOC: 1.6mg of DOC is a relatively low, though effective, dose. I am about 5hours since injestion, and have experienced +/++ effects. there is a constant temperature unsurity. im a bit uncomfortable and clammy. closed eye visuals are exact. i can actually see images, not just the usual "blackness" open eye visuals are mainly fuzzy distortions/geometric patterning if an area is focused on for a period of time. things take on a "4D" appearance 1.6mg is definitely a low dose, and the effects only become apparent if you "lose focus". Next time, I would try 2.2mg likely
if i could get acid, i wouldn't get rcs. i have been equally or more "tripped out" on 2ce than on acid though. admittedly, i've never taken a big dose of acid.. it had me seeing through a brick wall. thinking i was never going to be normal again. feeling things that were happening to my friend. for example, he would take a bong hit and i would feel the smoke. he ate pizza and i tasted it. i said to him "i never knew i was you man." haha i was feeling like i was experiencing lifetimes in a second. that i was 100 different people at a 100 different times...i said some shit like that. my mind was moving way too quick for my mouth. on second thought, we did smoke a bit of weed to enhance the effects. and it's been a long time since i've tripped hard on L, so the experiences are not so vivid. if i really think about them...i've had just as good or better of times on acid. they just aren't as fresh in my memory. i honestly think i got a headache from 2c-e. it could be something else cuz my back was feeling weird beforehand, but now my neck and head feel funny. i could just be stressed out a bit from school, and tired. i'm rambling now..to conclude. it's hard to compare LSD and rcs. 2c-e gave me similar feelings and visuals, but it could be dangerous. i say LSD wins.
my issue with lsd is that it gives me a horrendous body load beyond any other psychadelic ive tried. ive got a bad neck already so whenever i trio acid itll basicly put me in bad pain for 24 hours. no fun
see i don't ever remember body load from L. it's not that bad on 2c-e either. i only get mild nausea, and never puked. but I get a back ache from that, not acid. i guess everyone is different.
^ I think that the phenethylamines have a dehydrating quality, which could be the reason for your headache. It's very difficult to compare psychedelics to other psychedelics, as they are all similar, but yet quite different from one another. The reasons I like taking 2C-E are different than why I like taking LSD, which are different than why I enjoy taking mushrooms, or 5-meo-MIPT, etc.
