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Hey what up friends,

This is one of the best stories I could ever tell a person... (I copied, pasted, and edited this from my MySpace Blog to here) you can get there though at MySpace.com Blogs - Ssj3g0tenks, CCNA MySpace Blog

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I just got back from grocery shopping a publix near me like 30 minutes ago.. Now what makes this grocery to be unlike any grocery store i've every been to is that every single time i'm there, a Snobb County police officer is always there and I've always been curious why.

So at this time i'm 3/4 of the way done with my grocery shopping when I see the PO there who was a white, late 20's, nerdy, and what seemed to me a socially-challenged female. This description of her was PERFECT for this whole thing. Below is the conversation where "J" is me and "PO" is her. Note that there were three different times that I went up to her to say something. Also note that a quote appearing in forest green color represents an epicly awesome and powerful statement/question and red color represents something the PO said/asked that I felt was intriguing to hear. If it's helps to mention also, I was very very friendly with all of the staff and very social with some of them while being professional with the PO and not raising my voice or making thoughtless insults.
Also NOTE one last thing - for some of yall who see this who know me from certains website forums who say that you don't blame the officer for how detrimental prohibition is to society, you blame the laws that are written. This conversation I had below is something that will make you think twice about this. While I do agree to a 50% extent, I believe it is both to blame, with a 3rd factor of greedy, self-centered politicians.

1st run-in with PO:

J: "Hello hey how are you doing tonight?"
PO: "Good how are you?"
J: "I have to be feeling, as I as of yesterday got my CCNA Certification. It's basically a certification that will skyrocket my chances of getting a good job and pretty much covers what my major was in college. I graduated from Chattahoochee Tech last June."
PO: "Well, so is something to do computers?"
J: "Yes, it's basically the whole jist of getting devices like PC's, routers, and switches to communicate with each other. But that's the main thing it's about and theres really a whole lot more involved in that."
PO: {in a monetary, fake tone of voice for a compliment} "Well, congradulations"
J: "Thank you. So anyway, I have a question. I know it's usually from what I hear rude to ask females there age but I'm just dying to know, how old are you?"
PO: "Well how old do you think I am?"
J: "Hmm, I dunno. Late 20's??"
PO: "Yep that's right"
J: "So since you've been a police officer, have you ever arrested anyone before?"
PO: {chuckling} - "I've been a police officer for 7 years"
J: "wow, 7 years in cobb county?"
PO: "No, I've worked for Atlanta PD before I came hear"

{NOTE: for those who don't know this - The City of Atlanta is pretty much all in Fulton County (and some of ATL in a small area in DeKalb) and Cobb County is a county northwest of it}

J: "So I'm wondering, as a police officer there in Atlanta vs. here in cobb county, is there a difference in terms of your method of policing in terms of how you treat people?"
PO: "No, I do all I can to treat everyone the same"
J: "Oh ya by the way just to let you know I took criminal justice in high school for a couple semesters"
PO: "Oh ok"
J: "You know, from what I see you seem like an overall nice person, I'd just be curious to know what your like if you were pulling me over."
PO: {said something I can't remember along the lines of she's not going to tell me}
J: "Okay well here's another question for ya. If somebody commits a crime where no victim is involved, say a misdemeanor, not anything like shoplifting, but something like possesssion of marijuana under an ounce, and your the one arresting them, how does it make you feel to know what you are doing?
PO: {Astonished by my change of question} - "Well do you have less than an ounce of marijuana on you?"
J: "No" {replied in a "why are you asking me this" way}
PO: "Do you have marijuana in your car?"
J: "No"
PO: "Do you use marijuana?"
J: "Noooo"
PO: "Well do you that it affects your body just like alcohol?"
J: "No I've never tried it before but I have friends that do and they are great people who live great, productive lives and either or both do excellent in school and hold down great jobs while giving back to the community."
{NOTE: i HAD to lie to her about me and my mj use to be able to ask her this next question. By the way, the last time fyi i smoked the ganj was the day I was arrested in april of '05 and that includes every mind-altering substance (even tho i've never tried hard shit b4 like blow, ice, h, etc}
J: "So i have no idea what it's like which is why hearing you tell me about what it does. But let me ask you, have you ever tried smoking marijuana?"
PO: "No I have not"
J: "Well then how do you know what it's like if you've never tried it?"
PO: "Well i've learned about it in classes and I've taught a class about it"
J: "OH OKAY {becoming more professionally stronger in my debate voice} how can you stand here and tell me what marijuana does to you when you've never tried it yourself? And just to let you know, marijuana is safer than alcohol bec... {she cuts me off}
PO: "No it is not safer than alcohol. But if you don't smoke it, why are you talking to me about all this?"
J: "Because I am the kind of person that addresses things he feels are wrong about society. I see all the people that are true role models who have suffered so much unnecessary pain and anguish because of what people like you do to them by locking them up and throwing damaging their chances of good job placement, money for college, and all the other things involved in arresting someone just for possession of marijuana. And thus, in my opinion, there a millions of these cases where it's not them making their and/or their families' lives unmanageable, but really the government, or specifically law enforcement like yourself that make their lives unmanageable"[/COLOR]
J: "But hey if you'll excuse me, I've got to move on with my grocery shopping. You have a good on" {I then walk off with my grocery cart into nearby aisle}
PO: "Okay"

{NOTE: During this time, I am in the Soda aisle picking out various sodas, one of them being Cherry Coke Zero which is important to remember for the 3rd/last run-in with the PO}
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2nd run-in with PO:

{Note: I realized something that I really wanted to say to her so I went back up to where she was still standing at - the SW corner of the grocery store near customer service and the refrigerated/frozen foods and drinks to talk to her again}

J: "Hey whats up hey there something that I really want to say in response to earlier. I find it really funny how right after I asked you about your expierence with arresting marijuana users you start questioning me about if I have weed on me after you just told me that you try to treat everybody fair"
PO: "Well how have I treated you as not fair?"
J: If I went up to you and asked you a question about Tide laundry detergent, and didn't have any sign of having or using marijuana, would you be still be questioning me about if I have weed on me?
PO: "Well, it's not illegal to be have Tide on you"
J: "Ya but it's not illegal for someone to mention what their political opinion is on the humungous toll that cannabis prohibition has costed this country. But anyways, that all I wanted to say so I'm going to finish my grocery shopping now"
PO: "Okay then"
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{Note: at this point, I have left the PO for the 2nd time and realized that there is one last thing before I leave Publix that I want to say to her. I did, however, want something to start a conversation totally unrelated to what I've been saying to her so she would pay me just a little more attention}

3rd/last run-in with PO:

{Critical Note: When I walked back to where we were talking before, she wasn't there. I search all around the southern area of the grocery store, passing all the cashiers, when I see her on the opposite side of the store - the NW corner where the deli and produce are. Hehe, she probably was there to avoid me. But the critical point is, I walked with my cart once I noticed her to the aisle to the left of her so she couldn't see me approach her. When i'm like 15 feet from her and still unnoticed, I see her talking to some 30-something year old guy about what I was mentioning to her. I know this because I heard in the dialogue between the two: (1) her saying to him about something that's a bad drug and (2) his response to her agreeing with what she's saying in a tone that's like ya-whatever-i'm-agreeing-to-shut-you-up. So I go up to her and the following conversation below occurs...


J: "Hey you see this soda. Cherry Coke Zero, and I gotta tell ya, it tastes great! I highly recommend it. By the way, I just want to tell you that when I go to bed tonight, I'm going to say a prayer for all the people and their families who have been victimized and devastated by people like yourself when they should have been helping out people like they always do instead of being locked up with a bunch of rapist and murderers at the expense of us tax payers. But hey you have a good one" {NOTE: I then walk off toward the cashier to pay for my $80 worth of food and toiletries. And while about 10 feet from her walking away, I hear her say...}
PO: "Well you can tell your friends!..."

{I keep walking like i'm not listening and then turning into an aisle so she can't even see me anymore. I heard her drop what she was going to say. I am just glad that guy there didn't butt in.}

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Conclusion (Analysis)

This is a prime example of what it means to me to be Jewish. As my Mom has told me before, it is my duty as a Jew to stand and speak out for something I think is wrong, as we have been treated the worst out of any minority card out there. I have never pulled a "religion card" in my life where I would say to someone, "OH BECAUSE I'M JEWISH U BLAH BLAH BLAH".

Lastly, to everyone wondering, "Why care so much if you're not smoking weed or doing anything else anymore?" Besides what I mentioned above about standing up for what I feel is wrong, I have felt the feelings one feels when he or she becomes the bitch of prohibition (meaning being arrested). I have experienced the what I should never have had to go through. I have never stolen from anybody in my life - other than when I was 11 yrs old and go jack a candy bar from the local gas station near where I lived then (where my parents still live)

 

what was the point of that?

 

What exactly did you prove by doing that?

All you did was harass a cop about laws that she has no power over.

Good job. I hope that you feel very proud of yourself.

How old are you, 12?

 

thats not harassing a cop, its questioning the system, and examining wheter the individuals in the system are decent people, or mindless drones repeating what they were taught in a class. Kudos!

"There's alot of shyt you gotta put up with when you're driving...like red lights! WHERE DID THIS SHYT START!? I only noticed them about a month ago myself! And I'll be honest with you, I don't stop for em anymore. I tried it, for about a week, didn't like it, fuck em! I'm gooooone! I got no time to sit there and listen to the news. You know my motto in traffic? Cop didn't see it, I didn't do it. Hey! I haven't hit anyone yet. I've had a few people behind me hit each other but hey! That's not me, that's back there, that's them! Well what are they gonna do if they catch me? Give me a ticket?? You know how to handle a ticket right? You gotta be firm with the policeman! While he's writing out the ticket, you've gotta give him a bad look. And then when he's almost finished writing, reach over and snatch it out of his hands! Tell him you're gonna check it over for mistakes! And then when you're done, crumble it up and throw it at his feet! And then say "FUCK YOU! AND YOUR TICKET TOO! You asshole in a hat! Can't you see I have enough garbage on the floor of my car already!? Say...don't I pay your salary!?" They like that, when you're interested in the state budget. "You're a public servant...get me a glass of water!" WELL I GET PISSED GODDAMNIT!"

- GEORGE CARLIN

The whole skit is better, I just copied/pasted this off somebodys blog, but you get the poinnt, its from "what am I doing in New Jersey"

 

Fuck yeah bro keep it up!! Dont listen to these cynical bastards either. The world needs more people like you.

 

Questioning the system, my ass.

Don't ask a worker ant how the anthill functions.

The cop is just getting by. Believe it or not, cops can actually be usefull. Who are you going to call when someone breaks into your house? The cops. Are you going to lecture them on personal freedom then too, or are you going to plead with them to catch the suspect in the name of "justice"?

Talking shit to some poor cop is just plain idiotic. You want to question the system? Go and talk to a lawmaker. It's not really going to help, but hey... at least you won't be harassing some cop who's just trying to get by.

Silly kids.

 

Thanks for the input.

But obviously your exposure to irrational police and their brutality, as well as their typically ignorant, volatile opinions of weed smokers is rather limited. And I don't see you striving for any kind of actual change.

So I'll go ahead and disregard it.

And for someone as allegedly free thinking as you, how can you actually advocate and defend people blindly following the established jurisprudence and status quo, when any thinking person sees the injustice in it all? If more of these cops had an actual conscience, they could flat out refuse to continue upholding laws that criminalize good people and cause a de facto change in law.

 

Wow i thought everyone would be giving you props but instead give u shit, thats sad. Thats a really cool thing that you did and you had every right to as an american with the freedom of speech which the people above i guess dont understand. I agree with deviate the world does need more people like u. I can tell ur a really good guy. Thanks for that post I found it to be really interesting. You seem really smart 2!

 

That cop deserved to be harassed she was loitering in the grocery store. Shouldn't she be stopping rapists and murderers and not getting all antsy over herbs.

 

i can agree with this, for the most part.

I know that feeling, when you can look at someone and know how ignorant they are.
Cops are human, and the same applies, of course. Some officers treat people with respect, and understand what it means to be a cop. but for the others who are ignorant, well, they need to be taught one way or another.

I mean, she taught a class, presumably on drug prevention, based off of what shes been told is wrong with marijuana. that makes her just another fucking robot. she doesn't know her stuff, obviously because she's never tried marijuana, yet, she has the satisfaction of using her authority because she has been told how to think.
it's sad.

but god damn, you got some balls.

 

Sorry to say, but you didn't do anything courageous, and you didn't "fight the power". Like someone else said, don't ask the worker, ask those that order the workers around. The cop's nonchalant responses shows to me that she wasn't angry, or displaying an inflated ego, but was embarrassed over you confronting her over something that is beyond her control.

"You know, I studied law" - That kind of comment, out of the clear blue, sets off the "oh, that's nice" type of response.

I know how people hate the 'po po'. But believe it or not, these people are here to help. The majority of police officers are rather decent individuals that have committed themselves to protecting complete strangers. These people deserve our respect, and definitely don't deserve to be lectured and belittled by people that barely understand their purpose. And you know what, if you are walking around in public smoking pot, knowing that it's illegal, you deserve to get arrested - Don't hate people for doing their job. Hate yourself for being brainless.

I agree with you on one thing, though. She is just parroting what was taught to her by her classes. Her response about how alcohol is less dangerous than cannabis is a true testament to the misinformation that is fed to those that enforce the laws. But again, hate the system, not those that risk their lives to protect yours.

 

When I read the first few posts, i was seriously surprised. I thought people would be cheering.

I DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE who says this didn't accomplish much. And here's why


1. It accomplished striking a major nerve into her. I know everything I said hit her brain extremely hard based on the two responses I observed from her. (1) Hearing her conversation with that 30-something year old guy (BTW - i didn't mention it but her tone of voice when she was talking to him seemed actually frantic; and (2) when she said "well you can tell your friends..."

2. It accomplished something by professionally winning an argument/debate against someone from "the other side"

3. I would say it helped boost my self-esteem a little - i now have "bigger balls" to deal with these authority disgraces

and Thank you so much for your compliements (and every1 else) - I have posted this on two other sites (Marijuana.com and Myspace.com. I've been checking up on updates on those, but I haven't gotten to this yet.

 

I have NO respect for the police. Just in the same way I do not support the troops. I think it is straight up bullshit that people join organizations like the PD or the U.S. military voluntarily. And I have heard the arguments that if you look at the military it is mostly minorities and mostly people of lower economic backgrounds trying to get by... well people that murder and brutalize one and other within their community for money whether they rob, prostitute themselves, sell drugs, etc. are also OFTEN just trying to get by and I don't see that as a justification for joining an organization that's intention is on ruining one group of people's lives for the benefit of the state-- whether it is at home or abroad. You can't place socially based on ethics on situations where people have deemed violence an appropriate means for them to get by and then turn your head from the brutalization that is caused by police officers and the military. That is the main reason I spend as much time as I can protesting against military recruiment in impovershed neighborhoods and in public schools. That is a moral obligation for anyone who is tired of seeing the transformation of "regular people" into people that represent state-sponsored murder and brutalization.

So in some ways I hate the system but the system can't function if people do not participate in it and I think police officers are a contemporary version of Adolf Eichman and the Americans or people that support their role in society in many ways resemble "the good Germans" of the holocaust. You need the police in modern society to protect private property and to subdue violence essentially and that is it... but why is it that more minorities are incarcerated in the U.S. on annual basis than white males? It is certaintly not because white males commit less crimes than African-Americans and Latinos. And why is it that non-violent criminals-- criminals who use drugs recreationally, medically, people who trespass, loiter, prowl, etc. have a higher incarceration rate than violent criminals?

Why is it that police officers can shoot and kill an innocent 92-year old woman in Atlanta, GA in a botched drug raid then plant drugs on her and not go to jail for life? Better yet.. not goto jail at all.

Why is it that the NYPD can pick up a 13 year old black boy for throwing eggs, strip him naked and leave him on the other side of the city to find his way home with the only repercussion for child abuse being them losing their jobs?

Or how about Abner Louima who was brutally raped anally by a broomstick courtesy of the NYPD? Not one of those officers is serving time for that shit.

Or Amadou Diallo who was unarmed yet was shot 41 times and killed by NYPD after asking him to present some identification in which he attempted to comply.

What about the Jena 6? What about the countless innocent muslims and arabs that are denied habeaus corpus and are rotting in prison because some fucking cop profiled them as a terrorist? What about Sean Bell, a 23-year old black male, murdered on his wedding day by NYPD?

I could go on and on. If anything the role that police play these days in modern society is simply domestic terrorism. Whether they terrorize communities by incarcerating non-violent criminals or are brutally murdering or sodomizing minorities, they consistently as an organization purport acts of terrorism. And you can say well that lady is simply standing in a grocery store, she wasn't brutalizing anyone... yea, and most members of the KKK don't wear masks or attend meetings.. doesn't make them any less racist and it doesn't seperate her from being a part of a socially destructive organization.

And frankly I think this kid did something far more proactive than kids that spend all their time on a message board. In fact one of the most effective anti-prohibition groups right now is Law Enforcement Against Prohibition which is a group of police officers that have seen the light and have seen the role that their prescence plays in society and are actively fighting to reform the role that police currently play. If this kid in anyway sparked that officer's interest in rethinking prohibition or rethinking arresting people for non-violent crimes he should be commended because at this juncture it is the role of common people, every day people, men, women and children to speak the truth to the police. Otherwise like I said previously we are no bette than "the good Germans" who simply turned their cheeks to the brutalizations brought on by their government and their society.

You can hate the worker when the worker purports the agenda of a violent system. You can hate the worker when the worker does not use their agency to change their role in a violent system. And you can't blame ignorance when someone attempts to share the truth with that worker.

 

You know, this post made me think.....

For years, I have always wanted to change the world.. I think most of us do. When you get older, you realize that most of us will not be the next Lennon, or Emery... but... I am starting to believe that changing the world one person at a time is what will help society. Perhaps many officers (especially young, naive cops) need to hear the words... - you should help people, not destroy their lives... I am pretty sure that is why 90% of PO's get into law enforcement... and just as the system fucks up many regular people, it also fucks up a lot of them...

I guess I've decided that at my age, I will speak kindly, but will not hide my beliefs.. If you see something you don't like in this life... speak it (like you did), perhaps she will take something away with her... maybe not this week.. but it may reach her... then she may tell someone, and so on.... That is what one day may lead to a peaceful revolution.

Soc

 

Sweet Jesus.

Do you think that some bratty kid who took law in school harassing some poor cop is actually going to change anything?

Like I said, the cops have no control over the laws they uphold. Do I like cops? Fuck no. Am I going to go and harass random cops on the street about such minor issues such as pot? Fuck no. A smart smoker will never have encounters with the police to begin with.

Anyhow, your idealism is pretty... but honestly, grow up and face the real world. This society won't change just to fit your personal ideals, no matter how many cops you harass.

 

1. She was probably just pissed off about you harassing her. I would also tell a friend about some teenager lecturing me on Marijuana laws out of the blue.

2. There was no debate, it was you blasting facts at a cop who just didn't give enough of a shit to engage in serious argument with you.

3. Oh wow, so you went and harassed a human... and now you feel better about yourself? The the shit? You didn't stand up for anything. You just went and told some cop facts that they've probably heard a million times, or facts that they will simply ignore anyhow. You aren't fighting against anything. Hell, for all you know that cop was actually one of the cool ones who doesn't bust people for pot... but you still had to preach.

People don't like to be preached to, no one does. You are not liking my preaching to you right now. Understand this. You did not make a difference, you just pulled a complete asshole move. You should like some pseudo intellectual college freshman. "I took law in school." Honestly, what the fuck?

You see, if the COP was harassing you about pot, and then you told the cop off with pretty facts and figures, blah blah blah... then it would be completely justified... but going around to a random cop (who could be a desk cops... not all cops are out cruising in patrol cars) and just telling her off. There is nothing manly about that. It's ignorant more than anything.

 

DUDE YOU ARE F***ING RETARDED. Here are some of many reasons why

1. I have clearly explained in my second post (and on the original) on here how it HAS done something to change her based on her reactions. You clearly don't like to read all or more than 1/10th of what's been posted

2. Although I agree to some extent on how it's a cop's job to uphold the law, it isn't their job to violate somebody's 4th amendment rights as she CLEARLY did when she questioned me if I had weed on me just because of me asking her my opinion.


3. where did I say ANYWHERE that i went to law school? My degree is in Computer Networking, dumbass

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Anyways, I just want to thank everyone who's complimented of me, as I am still proud and do not regret a minute of it from yesterday.

BraveSirRuben, you are retarded you should GTFO this forum b/c all u do is talk shit when everyone else is trying to discuss this in a professional manner. You should look at other sites besides HipForums. I would match you up with maybe a transsexual porn site - I bet you'll love that

 

As i've already mentioned, I'm pretty sure it hit her pretty hard - i mean her tone of voice seemed quite frantic as if she was just involved in a car accident or something. And also, if it didn't hit her, I don't think she would have cared enough to do what she did at the end of my story and try to diss me with "Well you can tell your friends...." when she then realized that I wasn't listening to her and I was walking away..

Lastly, I just mari-wanna say that if I could have done one moar thing, when she questioned me about possessing weed on my person, I would have responded, "No but don't you wish I had it on me so you would feel like the successor!"

 

No, I don't think it will change anything. I still think its cool though.

I also think that your argument is completely weak. I'm sick of hearing people say that cops have no control over the laws they uphold. Cops break laws for their own convenience ALL the time. And you're calling me idealistic? HAHAHA.

Cops don't just uphold the marijuana laws, they expend massive amounts of financial resources (tax money) and intense manpower doing so, while neglecting the violent predators that are killing and raping people on the streets all over america.

Most of the time it's some kind of ideological vendetta against stoners, or hippies, or other minority groups. Not some ideological notion of "upholding the law". It's the adrenaline of the bust, and respect from other cops.

So what you believe then is a person is not morally responsible for things they do if they are part of a larger system? The nazis were just doing their jobs too then? What about the cops that enforced slavery and jim crow laws?

We are all humans here. At the end, nobody can escape the fact that we are all conscious beings capable of making our own choices. And I believe that everyone is morally and ethically responsible for how they treat other people, I don't brush it off onto institutions.

 

^^^^ word.

...so then let us not give a shit for everyone who is ignorant to truth! because of course, ignorance is what they really want.
no body wants to be shown the truth if it's a hard pill to swallow, specially if
it goes against what they have been taught there whole lives. but does that
leave them the right, for example, to beat there kids because they were beaten
as a child and its all they know?