Rebirth/reincarnation.

Discussion in 'Buddhism' started by Peterness, May 1, 2006.

  1. Peterness

    Peterness Member

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    YES!
     
  2. Spiritforces

    Spiritforces Member

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    You quoted this :" In the same talk he said that the Enlightened person is one with causation. "

    i didnt read the end of second page.


    I know it is always time to understand what causes brought me there
    It is introspection?

    I think re incarnation is two thing
    It's a beautiful thing to believe in, it gives life much more sense


    Maybe we could awake somewhere after death, instantly reaching a place where you can still want something, but the way you are answered, or the way you have to want, are different from what you experienced in a body. You are at the state of "non etheral" thing, regarding from material reality we experience most of the time here, it is not so common. It is also possible that you don't even realize what you are, where you have to go, what to do... and up there the wheel is turning, all the lives before come in account in this place, there is causation, as soon there is causation it applies to everything, the link between things has never been broken.
    Anyway, if you visited the way you are thinking or acting up there, while being alive, it could be easier?

    What is depicted in books of deads is definitly interesting, but the thing is u always determine everything in you, the more you realize it, the more it looks like you are acting up there, things could appear an other way

    The thing that goes thru, exists in a place, your mind.
    be able to alter this part of you, and know the causes
    is maybe what we are all called to do

    Some of those who know sometime fortold where they would come back that place, some came back there.
    There is a will as long as there is somebody, or a thing, that goes thru.
    Willingness is defintly important,
    to me.
     
  3. indescribability

    indescribability Not To Be Continued

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    Just one. A question actually. Mind cannot come from matter. Mind cannot come from nothing. Mind can only come from mind. This presents me with a "chicken and the egg" type paradox. Where did 'mind' originate?


    Ps. I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but I have not read through the entire thread yet. I want to pose this question before I continued reading and forgot until I couldn't post it.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    indescribability,
    Sorry for my delay in answering, I was out of town.


    Mind in this context is a term used to identify the Ultimate Which Has No Name and can not be described by words.

    This use of the word Mind does not mean that Mind is a thing. Ultimate Mind is not a thing, nor a non-thing, therefore, there is nothing to arise.
    In addition, for mind to arise we would have to postulate a before arising, a continuation, and a discontinuation of mind. But since there can be no arising without a continuation, and no continuation without a discontinuation; we see that all three times are really different aspects of the same concept and cannot exist on their own.
    If they cannot exist on their own, there can be no seperate arising.
    So, there is no Mind to arise and no time frame for it to arise in.
     
  5. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    I don't and have never liked the word "soul" sounds too supernatural.

    Imagin your awareness as as pure. Like in meditation. This thing dies too with the body, however there is no self. So when a another brain becomes aware, its your awarness, yet it's not. It's hard to put in exact words.

    Imagin a two candle. One is lit and another is not. A hand takes one candle and lights the other with it, then puts out the first one. The flame could be considerd the same flame.

    Karma I guess would affect at what time a fetus is developing and your awarness would end up in that one
     
  6. Chodpa

    Chodpa Senior Member

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    Depends, the Masters say, also on whether one dies consciously and freely, and whether they have trained to recognize their karmic vision in the bardo. If one can recognize their nature as clear light awareness from which all manifestation comes then one can choose to remain with the clear light or go onto a pure land. Or direct their next incarnation. Thus it's not all entirely lacking a personal aspect to it. Most likely ones mind follows its previous karmic vision and finds a direction which is most likely for satisfaction of its strongest desire.
     
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