Salvia.."not made for human consumption" OK?

hi everyone!

the short version...
i was about to order Salvia extract 6x from an online seller but it says "not made for human consumption".. so i connected to live customer service and they just ignored me from the get go saying,, "it is illegal to consume" and i said but if illegal why sell? then they just ignored me.

so when it says on the label "not for human consuption" it OK for me to smoke it?
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i just discovered Salvia and have done about 20hrs of non stop research, including youtube vids.. i understand its not a party drug and i am not a party person anyway. i am too serious for my own good. i think very philosphical and consider myself a spiritualy splintered soul. but that does not make me void to knowledege and wisdom compared to someone who is spiritualy enlightened.. i feel related to the native people of the earth and feel good when thinking of being around native american indians. anyway, my life is not going anywhere at the moment, i have no hopes, a depressed recluse. my life has been on the decline for at least 10 years. i have no social life nothing.

but discovering Salvia and reading about how the native people have been using it for spiritual purpose and some using (at least once) to connect and discover our cosmic self on a deeper level and reading about how it even helps out people who are depressed, this gives me hope. i feel that i should try this to help me out and see what happens since i have nothing to loose. its a win win situation.

i observe, not all people walking up to this drug with confidence have a good experience on Salvia. but i feel this cosmic plant would have a special response to people who really need it.
its like the plant is saying, i will help you out if thats what you realy need, but maybe not if your just being a smart arse.. does that make sense? or could i be wrong? it could worsen my depression and my clouded mind? but since i have nothing to loose..

you can answer the short version its ok..

thank you!

 

honestly i'd drop some acid instead. i regret ever doing salvia. its too rediculous to learn anything from it.

 

If you have nothing to lose you should still be careful, although you probably won't suffer any long term effects, the trip itself, although short, can be quite extreme.

I've never gotten anything significant out of the few times I've smoked Salvia, just experiences that either scared me, or made me think I was going to be insane forever. Then again, a lot of people seem to be able to have quite an experience with Salvia, I've been chasing that, but with no luck.

Salvia affects everyone differently, more so than other substances. Even every individual trip will usually be much, much different from the last. You're pretty much just have to going to try it out for yourself. I've never gotten a few of the positive effects Erowid lists, like insight into personal issues, which seems to be what you're looking for.

There are other drugs that might help you better with this, but seeing as you're telling us that you're depressed and have a clouded mind, I highly doubt acid or 'shrooms would be the way to go.

All I can say is: order it and give it a try, start small first to asses you're tolerance (some people can trip off next to nothing, others can hardly ever trip). It's probably one of the most unpredictable drugs out there.

Simply have a quiet, dark room to sit in, without noisy distractions for your first time. That helped me out. Noise seems to make things highly unpleasant on Salvia for me.

Good Luck =P

 

"so when it says on the label "not for human consuption" it OK for me to smoke it?"

Yes - they have to put that on there to cover their asses.

Do some research and be careful.

 

"Noise seems to make things highly unpleasant on Salvia for me.

That is also true for me. First time I did it I was playing some groove jazz. It's beautiful music, but damn, when I was tripping it was as if the music were something else, something more sinister.

I had a #5 experience my first time - which I hope doesn't happen to you and which I wouldn't recommend to anyone.

 

hay thanks everyone for the insight!

im glad i found this forum, been going through reading of peoples experience here and discovering more realistic, varied but insightful look into how Sally may effect. will keep reading for more insight(all if i can).

im thinking of going for the dried leaves instead of the extract, "sierra mazateca premium foliage" which is also blessed my the Shaman's as they say. i think this is more traditionaly used as opposed to the extracts like x6, x10 etc.
do you guys know if i can just mull it up like marajuana? maybe mix it with cigirattes to get a mild effect just to know Sally before taking the full ride? or better to leave the ciggies out?

thanks again for the support!

 

Salvia has to be burned at high temperatures. It's best to load a small bowl into a waterpipe or bong to test your tolerance. Cigs might work, but not very well. I smoke it out of a home made pipe, but it's harsh on the lungs

I would highly advise against smoking cigs on Salvia, it sure as hell doesn't need it and personally once you're in the midst of an experience you won't want to do anything but sit there and take it all in. At least not me. Moving is very difficult and not fun at all.

I bought Hawaiian Prime Foliage and still have over a half ounce left, as well as a good amount of a gram of 10x. I suggest trying out the normal leaf first. What I'd really suggest is to grow the plant yourself if you had the chance, trips seems to go better if you cultivated her first. =)

 

thanks Geneity!

ok, no mixing then. i will most likely be using a hash pipe with a torch and to get a mild effect i will try a little bit and wont hold it in my lungs too long, cause i just ordered an extract 5x from Botanical Gardens.. how are they BTW? is Botanical Gardens a good place to get since i have read many bad reviews of IamSham who also go under different pseudonyms. they were the guys i was having a live internet chat and they did come across very rude by cutting me off and ignoring my question when i asked if there is a difference between what is made for human consumption..

you think its a bad idea for a beginner starting with x5? im not a total noob. had years of hooching on the marajuana.. should i change my order to foliage? i just went for the link that said best seller and didn't want to risk getting anything duddy.

once i try this out, then i will look into growing my own children.. =) see what happens..

 

since salvia may be on the verge of becoming illegal, most stores sell it with a disclaimer saying not for human consumption. If you ask about human consumptuion they will refuse to answer and may refuse to sell it to you. Just buy it and dont tell them what you plan to use it for and they will sell it to you with a nod and a wink. This charade is made necessary by our silly legal system.

Yes, start with leaf or 5x if you are a hearty toker. or get a stronger extract but be careful to try only a small amount at first.

 

hi Pepopstico thanks!

well, you live, you say stupid things, you learn (im talking about myself).. anyway, i changed over to foliage, even thinking about it is putting me in high spirits..

there is a new world out there. infinite world from what i read. and im going to go and if the spirits tell me to go back to my body im going to try and stay there and accept where the flow takes me. maybe i will jump into a womans body and be a lesbian.. cool!

 

Keep in mind that everyone has very, very different experiences with Salvia, hopefully yours will be good =).

It's good to start of with foliage to assess how the Salvia will make you feel. In my experiences it's and from what I've read and seen it's been:

Oaxican
Sierra Mazateca
Hawaiian (3-4mg per gram, where 10x would have 35mg per gram)

In order from the least to the most Salvinorin A concentration per gram of leaves. I've gotten to level 3, maybe 4 with Hawaiian. The more you smoke over a day or two, the harder you'll trip. Reverse tolerance for the win. A good experience is said to be getting about 1mg of Salvinorin A in your body within 90 seconds or so.

Best of luck with your experience =)

Also, the reason they can't say anyhting about the "not for human consumption" part is because it isn't their responsibility what you do with what you order from them. They can't say anything other then that. Salvia, like many other herbs, hasn't been approved for human consumption but the FDA. The fact that you're going to use it for drug purposes remains unspoken between you and your vendor. IAS has been delivering me pretty high qaulity stuff. I think they're great. They also ship rediculosly quick. Order one day, its there tomorrow or the next day, weee!

 

1x really doesn't do much of anything.

You have to smoke a lot of it, and hold your smoke for 25 to 30 seconds, and that can be trying.

The best salvia mixture I've found for starters is a mix of two parts 1x and one part 5x making about a 2.3x potency.

As everyone has said, though, best to do too little than too much when you're just starting out.

 

thanks for the info guys

im still waiting for my order of foliage but if they don't send i will order an x5 and smoke a pinch at a time.