Scouting WY 5/5/2008 502 396 2129

Anybody up for scouting in wy lets go 5/5/2008. 502 396 2129 Ive got contacts when I get there. Theres plenty of work out there to.2001 Ford Ranger.

 

Man, I so wanna go. I been thinking about it all spring. I got spring fever after being cooped up in deep snow all winter.

I have a prospective roofing job on a small cabin right now. That makes the difference whether I have substantial cash or not (otherwise I have only $300-400 worth gold/silver I'd have to cash in somewhere.)

Wanna take a detour to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and help me roof a small cabin? It's an easy job (small, gentle pitch, 2 short valleys), but I could use a helper.

Snows gone (getting nice) and I live in the woods - cabin's right across the road from my house. Pay you @ least $12/hour cash, should take 4-5 days tops (2 people on it), then we could leave. Put you up, feed ya, etc. I'll get the ball rolling (get the cabin owner to agree and buy materials) right now, if you're interested in a little detour.

 

Give me a call. twenty square tear off or what . 502 396 2129 I have plenty of roofing exp. Two or three hundred is plenty for you to run on. Lets roll. There will be twenty of us once we get there. 812 967 6438

 

Hey Road Runner...while I appreciate your eagerness to scout, I have to wonder if you have done much scouting before; because unless your crew is ambitious enough to get jobs in WY, a couple a bills is not going to cover one person's expenses, let alone help to take care of 20. I think Logicaloutlaw is being the best kind of Rainbow by thinking in advance about green energy. I'm really hoping that this crew of 20 won't be sponging the local resources.

 

RR-

In case you didn't get the last part of our phone conversation (bad reception), I'll call you this weekend - probably Sunday - and let you know the status of this roofing job, etc.

Either way, I'll be ready to head out if you're still game for coming up this way.

If you wanna get a better idea of where I'm at, look at the Michigan part of your map, look at the upper peninsula and find the towns of Baraga/L'Anse (just south of Houghton/Hancock - west of Marquette). I dunno if you've ever seen Lake Superior before, but if you're coming this way, you're fixin to. On our way out, we'll be going right by where the 2002 Michigan national Gathering was.

If you're gonna be in Ohio, the best way to get here is to head to Flint, Michigan and catch Interstate 75 north. I'll give you the rest of the directions when I talk to you this weekend. If you have any concerns/questions between now and then, I'll be checking in on this thread often and you got my number.

 

I know what you saying.Anyone who wants to donate for scouting contact 502 396 2129 then Ill hook you up with a name and number.I work for my scouting effort.Plenty of work in WY!!

 

Beware! There's still lots and lots of snow in the mountains!

 

How much snow at 3000 feet and 5000 feet.

 

They just got a bunch of snow across the state a couple of days ago..

Road Runner, are you on the agr mailing list thru welcome home? A lot of info about scouting, Rainbow legals & whatnot gets posted on there...One of the old scouts posted a great run-down of points to look for in a site last year...I'll see if I can find it & repost it for you.

 

This isn't the one I was looking for but it has good info for y'all.

S. here -- I scouted Wyoming last time out so here's some info for you
to consider. The Routt in Wy. has limited road access which probably won't
be usable until very late May, early June. It's mostly sage meadow area. The
Medicine bow is beautiful, a very popular tourist area, and full of small
private property acreages. NE Wyoming, north of Casper, has a ton of BLM
land (which is available for non-commercial use), some of it with
water,forest,etc. and we never quite finished checking it all out do to time
constraints and snow pack.
As time permits and we get closer to actual scouting, I will look over some
maps and let you know specifically where we scouted. I use Delorme map
software, the 3d, satellite version and suggest if you can afford it (99.00
for the Wy. CD) you do as well. Combined with an onboard receiver, it
actually allows you to know EXACTLY where you are at all times. The 3d view
helps let you know what elevations to expect on any drive to a site which
can be important depending on what type of vehicle you have and it's gas
range. It takes a bit of use to be able to translate the satellite view to
actual ground coverage type, but once you can do this it saves a lot of
useless looking. If anyone is interested in using this cd,let me know and we
can share the cost, I'll gladly burn a copy.
As far as the usfs goes, I've found it best to avoid them. I will stop by a
district office on occasion to see if a road is open, buy a forest service
map, see if a "gated" access is unlocked, etc but I rarely mention rainbow,
usually say I'm just going camping or fishing. Speaking of which, buying a
Wy. fishing license is a good thing. Some of your best "tips" on possible
sites will come from fishermen,hunters and ranchers, so I strongly suggest
anyone scouting try to look like a normal person, not some homeless gypsy or
flaming hippie. Bars and bait shops are your friend, local dinners in the
morning hours, are a great source of info from ranchers and other locals.
IF and that's a big IF you actually find a place that you think fulfills
most of the site requirements (a pretty good list of which can be found
somewhere on agr in a posting sent to the usfs to help them choose potential
sites) then it's time to go to the local district office and ask to see the
fire service map they will have there, they often refer to it as the brown
line map as it is usually printed in sepia. It is the ONLY map that will
show ALL roads in a specific area.
Anyway, stay in touch as time gets closer for actual on the ground looking.
---- s


Here's the one I was looking for:

1. What is the minimum total spring flow required for a gathering and how is
it measured?

--------- Generally the number most associated with human usage is one
gallon per day per person. That's six to ten thousand gallons per day for an
average annual. Again, generally if you average the number of folks on site
from set up to clean up you're going to be close with six to ten thousand,
there are peak days like around the fourth when the numbers will be higher
and clean up days when the numbers will be way lower, but average is what
you plan for. So divide 6 to 10 thousand by 24 hours/day, then by 60
minutes/hour and you come up with 4.1 to 6.9 gal./minute minimum. You
measure it with a five gallon buck and a watch.

2. How much open land is required to park 5,000 vehicles?

---------- Using an average car size of 10 feet x 15 feet (leaving room to
open doors, park, etc.)it takes 25sq.ft x 5,000 cars or 750,000 sq. ft. Add
in 4 rows at 10' wide between the cars to navigate in and out, that?s
another 400,000 sq.ft for a total of 1,150,000 sq. ft. There are 43,560
sq.ft/ acre. So about 26 to 28 acres is needed.


3. What USFS land classification type is not scouted due to a long standing
family consensus?


---------- Wilderness

4. What is the best map source for any "specific"
potential site?


--------- There is only one map source that is always current and in total
detail for specific areas of U.S.NF's. They are more often than not referred
to as "brown line maps" because for some reason unknown by me, they are
printed in sepia. These are the forest service fire maps and they show EVERY
road in the forest, not just the roads shown on normal forest maps or
topo's. The u.s.FS is often very reluctant to admit they have such maps and
even less inclined to let you see them, getting a copy is usually out of the
question.

5. What plant species, found growing on a site, will act to aid in producing
a more "mellow" gathering. (no, the answer is not marijuana).

--------- Green false heliborreen, false hellebore (American white
hellebore, Bear Corn, Big Hellebore, Devil's Bite, Duck Retten, Indian Poke,
Itch-weed, Itchweed, Poor Annie, and Tickleweed; Veratrum viride). Inhaling
airborne pollen from this plant causes respiration to slow, cardiac rhythm
and blood pressure to fall.

6. Which is preferable and why? An uphill or downhill walk-in.

--------- Uphill walk in is preferred as folks tend to tote less into the
woods making clean up easier.

7. Name five site criteria for which contact with the USFS is unavoidable.
due to time, money and expertise considerations.

---------- 1. Listed or established zones of flora and/or fauna endangered
species within a potential site.
2. Historical/archeological/cultural considerations.
3. U.S.FS scheduled usage, including among other things,
controlled burns, logging, grazing allotments, prior reservation by
other's, etc.
4. Current closure orders or other "special" regulations that may
include a potential site.
5. Site specific sub soil classification


8. What is the absolute minimum road standard (at least to the parking area)
used in scouting for an annual site?

----------- One lane with turn outs.

9. How can you tell if a spring source is year round?

----------- If filamentous algae or benthic invertebrates are found, it is a
year round water source. Pick up a few rocks and
see if you find water penny, nematode, caddis fly, leech, black
fly or stone fly larvae attached.



10. What is the difference between a springhead and a seep and which one is
harder to deal with and why?

----------- Springheads originate from the channeling of subsurface flow
whereas seeps are composed of surface water that can not
percolate due to subsoil type. When channeled sub surface flow
penetrates the surface there is generally associated
a release of pressure that creates flow and thus it can be
developed for distribution and filtering easier than a seep.


And just for shits and giggles a bonus question:

Under what court ordered standards are annual gatherings deem compliant and
who established them?

------------ U.S.Army Large Scale Field Maneuver Manual, as directed in his
favorable (to us) court decision by Justice William Justice.

 

Great source of Info. Hope to see you there. Thanks!

 

Thank the bro who will be focalizing Front Gate with his lovely lady this year...it's his years of experience & posts which made this info available

 

This is, like, the coolest scouting rap I've seen EVER! The only thing I could add is something I heard from Badjer, or maybe it was Victor, on site criteria: "WoodWaterMeadows...It's all one word."


What happens if we say S's name on here? Will he show up?

 

It is way cool

He probably wouldn't care, but since I didn't ask him, I didn't post it.

 

as far as I know, there are very few places in Wyoming that are less than 3000 ft. You're that high before you even get to the mtns.....

 

One of my friends got stranded in Wyoming last week because they shut down I-80 due to blizzards and 1-80 is about the lowest route in the state.

I was at the Utah site (right by the Wyoming border) just after scout council the other year and got snowed in with 2 feet of snow. Luckily I had a good sleeping bag, food and some books.
Alot of the locals ride around the mountains with snow machines in their trucks this time of year and if their truck get snowed in the come back next week and get their truck.

About jobs and making money in Wyoming; I know a few well connected locals that live in Colorado because they can’t find any decent jobs in Wyoming, there is always work around Jackson but camping is far away and it is very expensive to live.
IMO all scouts should be self-sufficient...

I would carry 5 days worth of food and don’t be surprised if you get snowed in somewhere.

 

in SW Montana it is snowing today.