self-shaping

Discussion in 'LSD - Acid Trips' started by rygoody, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    So you know how you look in the mirror and you can see yourself morph. You focus intently and you can control the morphing, even hold it perfectly still.

    Then you notice how, not only can you see the morphing, but you can also feel it, that part of your body or skin, feeling like it's being pushed by energy.

    Now am I crazy here, but it seems to me that this is quite literally you seeing and controlling the morphogenetic field of your body.

    To go over morphogenetic field theory real quick, it's a theory put out by Rupert Sheldrake in the recent years that basically postulates, with some evidence, it's not 100% but it is more than just fringe theory at this point. But the theory goes that the shape cells divide and multiply to take is not held in the cells themself. But there is rather a layer of energy, called the morphogenetic field, which overlays everything and serves as the guide for the cell duplication to follow and form to. So then, it's not that the shape of the body is held in the DNA molecule, but is rather a seperate component, held in almost a psychic layer of energy around the world, which guides the development of the DNA into the form of the human shape. Obviously everything also has this field of energy around it, not just humans, it's the energetic guide for all form nature takes.

    So I wonder if you managed to hold a morphed shape in perfect control of your body, if then over time your body would physically grow to follow the morphed shape. This is actually what I realized I sort of automatically do everytime I would stare at myself in the mirror while tripping, only recently I've got words to this. But I'm wondering, does anyone else do this too and think it might be possible that your actually controlling your own physical formation by direct concious will? I'm wondering if it might actually be possible to form some sort of verifiable experiment off this, it could provide a whole evidence towards energetic healing.

    Which this also brings me to another thought in that, if you are seeing the morphogenetic field and directly affecting it. Then what is it exactly that your seeing? Cause it looks like the flesh is actually moving, so it's not just energy, if it was just energy you were seeing in this process I'd imagine you would see a glowing hologram of energy. But it's not, it looks like moving skin, physically moving and morphing. Almost like your literally seeing into the subtly physically manifested future a little bit.
    So I mean, what could that hold in the context of time travel? Is a portion of the future actually physically manifested? Or is physical manifestation merely the present, and the future being only energy, the energy which is to guide the present. Then as you see yourself morph your seeing the present, physical manifesation, subtly going in all the various directions of potential future energy. So by this one couldn't time travel into the future, as they would just end themselves up floating in non-physically manifested energy, without a physical form themselves. But it could be possible for a person, a physical form, to grab onto an energy so far into the future, as in hold focus on an energy in the future, and then have their physical cells grow in the direction of this singular future energy, which would also pull the whole collective physical manifestation that direction as it goes through the process of traversing the energy of time. Thats what time travel really is, and can only ever be.
     
  2. Not Mike

    Not Mike Member

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    sounds like your going to need a lot of acid and concentration for this test...
     
  3. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    well... more than that, it needs alot of time. I don't think it's possible for one to change the rate at which time energy transmutates physical manifestation. Unless.... someone knows something I don't.
     
  4. panthenol

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    i understand what you mean, i think. its an extremely interesting concept. maybe humans will one day evolve to the point that this is possible? when humans first roamed the planet years ago they couldn't even talk so who knows whats possible for the future? if there is one
     
  5. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    evolve to the point? Well I would postulate people are already aware of this right now and have been for a long long time. The book raja yoga by swami vivekananda talks about how the accomplished yogi knows he grows his body of his own control. So this idea isn't foreign to hindu thought at all, I'd imagine it was common sense among the yogi. Just now theres enough scientific postulation and odd-theorizing out there that people in the western world are starting to realize this very old, seemingly innate and obvious spiritual function, by means other than yoga.

    Which is a highly necessary thing at this point in time, because if your concious will is not holding still the state and direction of your personal morphogenetic field, which forms not just your body, but also your brain matter, and invariably everything you ever think, see and experience. Then it means someone else's concious will is controlling it to some amount for you. Because formation of the morphogenetic field only occurs of concious will. This is sort of like the scientific description of how the mass media and government keep people hypnotized. You know there not just pouring out information, there pouring out energy that quite literally shapes the physical growth of it's followers and directs the development of evolution.
     
  6. sunyatasamsara

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    you dont even need acid to do that cause i noticed that when i was little but im sure acid would work better and easier.
     
  7. killuminati

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    I was on shrooms last night and thinking the same thing. I just stared in the mirror and sort of morphed to my ideal form, I thought I looked beautiful.

    I can make many things move if I stare at them long enough, but thats only with patterns and what not. I'm not too experienced with psychedelics, but I think as I tap into a deeper region of my brain, I'll join you in that train of thought ry.
     
  8. inthydreams911

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    idk whenever i looked in the mirror and my body was morphing i figured it was like the inner soul being shown in the mirror. whenever i look in the mirror now i do not morph anymore. ever since 10 hits of acid whenever i look in the mirror there is usually a vibrant white light behind my body, with different symbols of importance, such as pyramids, 6 point stars, and all seeing eyes coming from the light, my body is usually glowing, and my face always as a big buddha looking smile, even if im not actually smiling. it was like my soul found who it really was and now is radiating light.
     
  9. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Well I would say that consciousness directs growth with it's own will, but I do believe that our growth is already programmed within the body and is not in a field outside of it. The field that yogi's meditate on Ry, is not related to physical growth but rather to spiritual growth and though the two go hand in hand, they operate on different levels.
    When you get this far out there (Im not trying to say you are crazy, just bare with me) you start to enter the realm of explaining how Jesus and the like performed healing miracles. Now the way I take it, is that considering that matter is composed of energy, which is differentiated by rates of vibration, miracles are performed by altering the inside of the body, the rate at which say, a cut on the skin is replenshing itself compared to a skin that is healthy. Take water into wine for example, by altering the frequency at which the water is existing, perhaps Jesus turned it to wine by performing an advanced sort of deeksha over it? Literally putting his hands of the water and by focusing energy, willfully manipulated it's properites. I dont think this kind of miracle or even shape shifting occurs on an external field surrounding the atoms but rather takes place inside. The truth is never outside is the point Im getting at, it is always inside.
    Sort of like how a tree will grow around a knot. It's aware of the knot and knows to avoid it, but that is how the tree is designed, the tree is not shape shifting an external field, it is already programmed how to avoid jams in it's healthy growth. I honestly do believe in shape shifting as well as duplicating the body and mind to exist in two places at once(if we are composed beyond vibration by a certain 'mystical light' think photons splitting to exist in two screens at once), and I believe that both are masterful forms of control brought on by intense practices of kriya yoga. But I beleive that this takes place inside rather than without. Even manipulating the attraction from repulsion to truth in the mind through deeksha is supposed to alter the path's of the mind's thought process, not the external shell of maya surrounding the mind. You gotta get in to get out, I think.
    But Im not blocking your idea out, Im just sharing what I've come to think so far.
    God Bless -
     
  10. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    well, it is internal. The thing about the notion of an energetic field overlaying the body to control it's growth is, the only place such a field could be placed into the scientific hierarchy of physical matters construction is somewhere at the atomic, electron, or quantum level of it. So although such a field would in a sense be 'overlaying' the physical form, it would only be overlaying it in that, it's merely the energetic underlay which physical is growing out of.

    I also found this yesterday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-field another researcher who got onto the same idea, actually did a bit more with it. I found this note about the energetic field particularly interesting "Ravitz showed that the L-field as a whole disappears before physical death."

    and I ran into the jesus miracle thinking too. I'm sure if being able to turn water into wine would do anything at this point in time, then we would be able to... But I take it as, if everything is consciousness, the whole of the thing just doesn't think like that anymore. By dynamics of all energy, the one point blooms into many. The point in time where one person would contain enough energetic control, and connection to source, to directly manifest is done with. That was the seed, it's spread out now over enough people, thinly enough, that they manifest through what externally seems a normal process, but internally its no different then the flow of energy jesus (or whichever deitic form) contained, just at a lower amount. People combined, maybe there could be alchemy again. But the place where direct energetic will alters physical matter first is in the body, then in brain tissue, after thats controlled, maybe it will spread out to the physical manifestations further away.
     
  11. RELAYER

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    Yogananda has described meeting several miracle workers with his own eyes just over a hundred years ago. As well as still living saints who have not eaten food in over half a century because they "live on every word from the mouth of God". At least, they have transcended the need to have solar energy in the form of a medium like an animal, or trapped sunlight in plants, but rather live off of the life energy from the medulla oblongota as the astral/spinal radio unit.
    I dont think so much that the thinking of it all has changed, but that the thinking of us has changed and any direct 'miracle' performed in front of the masses who will not treat God consciousness selflessly would counter the point. Back then people seemed to have miracles all the time and it was bewildering but only because we didnt have such 'free will' as we do now.
    However that is besides the point and is completley speculation.
    Alchemy is still practiced I believe, but I have no proof of that either. And I see what you mean about this being internal, but it is not THE internal so I think it's just playing around for really nothing more than fun. I included in my previous post the idea that this field perhaps surrounds every atom, but there is the level of the void that is either before that or beyond that level. So I think while you have an interesting concept, I also think you may be missing the point of what the mirror shows you, the LSD just may be overwhelming your sense of reason and profundity.
    Or I could be completley blind to a more esoteric point your making and am furthering only to confuse myself. Either way, your at least onto something in my opinion, I just dont know exactly what it is and if I do, I dont know that I agree.
    God Bless ya Ry -
     
  12. MovedOn

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    Honestly I'd believe that there are living miracle workers. I've gotten the intuition a number of times that there is always, at all times, a full on christ incarnate of some form alive on earth. And that there has to be for to function, even if they are hidden.

    And I think your getting to the notion that, I'm describing spirit in scientific terms and metaphor, which leaves much to be desired. I would agree it does, but I see thinking like that as more a bridge between the two points than the end point. I do believe it would be entirely ideal to shelve off all scientific metaphor once the thing is figured out. So I don't really fully agree with myself, as in the wordings and metaphor I use, but I've always found a lot of value in making connections with scientific metaphor to get more insight, so I continue to do it when I notice.

    But the scientific metaphor is coming up with some really interesting things these days that does offer some insight of it's own into esoteric matters. Like, you know there was some research done which showed once you zoom into physical matter far enough, past atoms, past quanta, all the way to the bottom. The structure at the bottom is actually the interlaced tetrahedron, the merkaba, and you can't zoom in farther than that. The merkaba energetic structure is what all quantum energy, atoms etc. manifest out of. And since that structure is the smallest point in existence, then it's also conversely the shape of the edge of the universe. The researcher behind this is actually postulating towards making a technological singularity, for antigravity or whatever purposes.... but I don't know if that would actually happen. It might only remain theory.
     
  13. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    The light of creation, therefor Ry? But no I think the light will always remain concealed from being visible with instruments and sense organs. No doubt we get closer and closer. And surely certain science is now accepting the theorizing of what would explain (in it's own language of course) that which the Tao, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, and the Sutras have been mysitcally singing to for thousands of years. So I agree with you, we need both appraoches, otherwise they wouldnt both exist.
    If your interested in possible 'Christ' incarnates, check out the different ideas on the Maitreya who many believe is alive as a child right now. Even check out some of the more 'out there' speakers on the matter (out there, I feel, means advanced) like Benjamin Creme. He started up the Ajna Chakra meditation's I participate in occasionaly, and although I dont subscribe totally to his opinions, there's no doubt that the man brings on a golden aura that everyone can see, you dont have to be clairvoyant or a practicionaer of yoga, somehow he brings its full spectrum into view for everybody.
    Worth checking out I think.
    God bless -
     

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