should the police tip off communitys when they plan a raid

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2372471,00.html

apparently the police will now tell muslim leaders when they plan a anti terrorist raid .

do you think this would be a good idea for other communitys like drug users, should they have some group of leaders chosen and then be told when the police are planning to do a raid .

or car tax avoiders would it be a good idea if the police did the same thing there.

if you tip off drug user community leaders they can then leak the fact that a raids coming and the drugs can be hid and therefore you have less reported crime .

I could see lots of potential in this wise form of policing

 

high up, wouldn't tipping people off about a drugs raid kind of defy the whole point of one?

 

well no as if they were tipped off they could hide the drugs, therefore no drugs reported found therefore no drugs problem .

 

Being a muslim is not actually a criminal offence jonny...

 

Presactly what I thought...

 

well neither is being a drug dealer if your not caught

would it be a good idea to tell leaders of the bnp before you do a raid on neo nazis, the bnp is a legal political party of the far right, Im not sure about nick griffin but Im sure you could find some bnp member without a criminal record you could tip off .

so if lets say combat 18 was blowing up loads of people would it be a good idea to get in touch with bnp leadership and tell them when you planned raids .

or would it have been a good idea to have told sein fein the political wing of the ira before you did anti terrorist raids in ireland .

if you have something like a possible terrorist attack that could kill tens of thousands of people is it wise to tip off people who may well tip off the people your trying to catch, and why didnt we do this with the ira or with far right .

what makes you think that muslim leaders are more honest than the ira or bnp .

I have a panorama programme you could watch about how the government have choosen islamic leaders linked to terrorist groups or extreamism .
The head of the top islamic group in the country the guy the government knighted led the campaign against rushdie and is linked to the muslim brotherhood .
if thats the sort of person they will be tipping off is it wise, and if you have a massive attack wont this sort of policing incite a backlash .

 

so YES, it DOES defy the point of a bust!!
i'm sorry but my question still remains unanswered... let me elaborate a little.
the police obviously bust for drugs TO FIND THEM and arrest those responsible.
by tipping people off about a drug bust, they are giving them the opportunity to hide everything and basically get away with it - which in itself defies the whole point of having a bust. it'd be a complete waste of time, money and planning!

please read deeper into what i'm saying, and let me know what you think.

 

well look if they tip them off they can hide the drugs therefore the police dont find the drugs
but they can say they have done so many raids so it appears they are trying to catch people this gives the public confidence that the police are on top of things .

if they caught people well then they would have to go through trials and arrests and jails these all cost money and I would think this is a much greater amount than the money wasted in fake raids .

also by not making important arrests you dont upset drug dealers , or upset a successful illegal market which Im sure is very profitable

 

you're still missing the point!!! for fuck's sake man, if the police are doing the bust to purposely find drugs then why tip anyone off>>>??????
so, the police tip people off, then do a bust (knowing that they're not going to find anything) and then report back saying nothing was found - which they are responsible for, for arranging the tip off in the first place?!!!
while this fake bust takes place, a real crime could be going down that needs the assistance of police.
it doesn't make sense unless my beliefs are confirmed... that the government is fucking corrupt.

 

The government may well be corrupt, but is that a bad thing, Im sure having a certain set of things illegal , things that have a great market is very profitable for some people .

having the war on drugs creates jobs in the police , you can use it as a system of control of the population , it gives you a good reason to be able to raid people and arrest people .

if you have things like drugs or alcohol that you make illegal you wont ever be able to win a war on them, Im sure the people in power know this just as if you made a war on cream cakes its a unwinnable war .

but it can be a useful and profitable war if played in the right way .

does it make sense to tip people off about anti terrorist raids if the people you tip off dont leak the information what good will telling them do

 

This all started because a councillor was offended at not being told about a planned raid, wasn't it?

The less people that are involved, always the greater chance of success.. Even the villains know this!!!!

 

do councillors usually get told about police raids ?

 

No...


And this was the first time any have felt insulted at the lack of information given to them..


The thing about communities as a whole is that everybody and nobody is a suspect.. A good family member, I guess not living in the house about to be raided, could be of good standing, and so be privvy to any plans the police have for the area...

 

Why are tax payers being asked to fund pre-advertised raids ?


Budget and staffing cuts can acomplish the same thing at less cost to the public.

If this burecracy is not serious why are we paying for it ?

 

why are the police doing this then I know the ‘secretary-general' of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), Muhammad Abdul Bari the largest islamic group in the country threatend 2 million terrorists in the uk 700,000 in london if we didnt stop the widespread islamophobia in the country as he termed it.

so I suppose the police are scared that if they do raids these angry people on the verge of all becoming terrorists, as the leader of the top islamic group in the country sees them , might kick off so therefore they come up with these sort of policys that dont disturb anyone and could be ineffectual

hmm and
Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid."

so the more violent a community is the less likely you are to have a raid at all

 

so in effect, what you are saying is that the police, who are supposedly in control of keeping authority and order, actually have no position of power because they don't want to piss certain people off?

it's no wonder this world is in such a fucked up state.

 

Your clever satire is predicated on the notion that all muslims are terrorists and that there can be no such thing as a muslim leader who is opposed to acts of terrorism. This is untrue.

I don't necessarily think it's a very good idea - it seems like a public relations sop; in cases where 'reasonable grounds' (in the police's opinion) to mount an anti-terror raid exist community relations won't be a factor. Something like this will just allow the police to *say* they are acting responsibly and in concert with muslim leaders in an attempt to avoid PR disasters like Forest Gate.

 

I dont think that all muslim leaders would support acts of terrorism , but some would and its impossible to be sure who would and wouldnt .

whether they swear oaths wouldnt matter because they would follow the principle of kitman lieing for the sake of the religion as they saw it if they did support acts of terror

and its possible that some leaders of groups like the bnp or ira might not like bombs going off and killing innocent people either, but we dont tip them off or ask them to vet security evidence if the police are thinking of doing a raid .

why dont we

 

tell the police to get F......k . they cause more problems than they solve.

 

This analogy fails because Islam is not a unified political party like the BNP. (You may well disagree with this, but it's not - there are many different factions within Islam, not all of them politicised, and there most definitely exist moderate movements which are interested in integration and co-operation.) And it's not a unified paramilitary movement like the IRA. You can be sure that the four members of this panel are very unlikely to be members of any radical Islamic factions. And to suggest they are habitually lying is frankly unsupportable and paranoid.