smoking freebase 4-aco-dmt

this quesiton from sweetblasphemy popped a question into my head.

I know that smoking the fumurate and hcl forms of 4-aco-dmt are not very effective at all but has anyone tried converting it to a freebase and smoking that?

I have smoked mushroom extract that I converted to freebase. the psilly resin got me tripping harder and quicker than the ~5 gram dose would have but didn't last nearly as long.

since 4-aco-dmt is just an acetlylated version of psilocin, I'm thinking it would be active as a freebase. anyone ever read anything to confirm or prove this wrong?

 

Isn't it just a waste when you try to smoke mushrooms? I mean the melting point for psilocybin and psilocin is around 200 degrees.

Don't know about 4-aco-DMT though.

 

yes smoking mushrooms alone is a waste of money and mushrooms. the way to make a smokable mushroom resin is to soak the mushrooms in methanol for a couple days. filter the methanol and discard the gunk or save it for another methanol soaking. once you have all your methanol collected it is very easy to titrate with baking soda for smoking or with acedic acid for consumption. I'm gonna try it in a couple weeks if nobody else does by then. I know freebase would definately be more effective if smoking then the HCL, but is it more effective than other ROA's is what I'm trying to get at? has nobody else even smoked psilly resin?

 

Psilocybin is made in its freebase form by the plant (mushrooms). I'm not quite sure how you freebased a molecule without a salt.

Don't smoke the mushrooms. 4-AcO-DMT is just as sensitive.

P.S. Your not looking for the melting point. Your looking for the boiling point. There practically isn't one with these chems (they are destroyed before that...), thats why erowid didn't show u a boiling point.

 

I don't see much of a reason for it not to be active..

if you decide to go forth with this experiment, you should post your results

 

lol sorry I wasn't so accurate on an experiment I did over a year ago. I added acetic acid after the methanol and then basified with baking soda to get a very gooey resin.

you are correct, do not smoke whole mushshrooms. The psilocin/psilocybin conent is not high enough. it's like compararble to trying to smoke MHRB trying to get high off DMT..it won't work. you can smoke the shroom extract no problem though.

There was a thread here about a guy who was smoking the fumurate. he said he didn't get the greatest effects from the dose but that's probably acids usually aren't as lipid as bases(freebase 4-aco?) are. just because erowid doens't have a melting point labeled doesn't mean anything to me. they only have the HCL version of 2cb chemistry info, probably as well as one with of many others as well. I apperciate your input cod but I still think it will work.

This is a lot of theory and I don't think anyone should potentially waste their 4-aco-dmt until I or someone else reports back their findings. I'll report my findings next weekend when I have time, until then I'd nobody smoke your 4-aco-dmt HCL/fumurate.

 

Your dumb shermin... You know better than this. You also should know that i don't talk out of my ass very often.

mdbnkc, I can't for the life of me understand why you would make it a salt then remove the salt to smoke it. Psilocybin acetate vs its freebase. Why? Its not an oil in freebase form. Still crystal. As a matter of fact its whats known as a zwitterion. Or in a crude sense a self salting molecule. This is partially why it can not be smoked. This is also why I can't understand why you add a salt, save stability purposes.

4-ho-dmt is not an acid either, its neutral. VERY lipid indeed.

I believe erowid only has a salt form of 2c-b because the freebase is an oil, and no one wants to play with an oil. To sensitive.

Do not smoke these chemicals... If you get any effect its from the unburnt dust your breathing into your lungs. Just huff some powder instead!

 

i was under the impression that 4-ho-dmt was an internal salt just as n,n dmt, 5-meo-dmt and other smokeable compounds ect..

and i just have a hard time believing ANYBODY about this, because people have SWORE to me that crystal meth CAN'T be smoked as an hcl salt, but ALL crystal meth is a salt [hcl or carbonate in most teks]

but who knows.

 

I followed a tek but can't remember where I found it. I think it was erowid, rhodium or something like that. I never said psilocybin/psilocin were oils, I know they are both crystals in pure form.

i added a either acidic or basic water to the methanol to get the psilly's out of it..again I'm sorry I can't remember my tek to the t. I'm pretty sure I read a few scientific articles that said the psilly's were more soluble in acidic water than basic water, so I may have used the acetic first to pull it from the methanol. I did a lot of research before doing it and it was successful.

I know for a fact you can smoke mushroom extract and trip harder than eating them just no where near as long. this was much more than placebo effects. the exact technique I used to do this I can't really remember but It was simple and very effective. For that reason it makes me believe 4-aco-dmt can be smoked as a freebase as well. believe me or not I will report back next weekend.

 

Well, let me know man. I truly would love to know. I have some 4-aco-dmt ready to smoke if I can do that.

 

Damn you dudes don't fuck around lol... the guy's gonna figure how to convert a chemical and all I could figure was how to buy a chemical.

 

will do man. you could be right..freebase might not be active vaporized but I'd just like to know for sure.

and you could convert just about any drug into the form you want it in pretty easily with different acids and bases peter parker..

 

Well is it true you buy cocaine you get cocaine HCL and if you buy crack you get cocaine freebase? And I have the thought in my head [don't know where I picked it up] that most pharmaceuticals are hcl salt. It is possible or not to turn any hcl into base using the same method as turning coke into crack?

I'm sure that I could do chemistry if I had to I at least got the math skills but not a lot of the chemical knowledge...

And I hooked up my laptop to a 55" vizio screen sitting with my wireless keyboard across the room this is pretty fuckin unreal the music is just sounding aweome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUa_G1h3pw"]YouTube- Red Rider - Lunatic Fringe

 

crack isn't just cocaine freebase, it's a simple baking soda concoction. easy and fun to make though.

freebase cocaine is sort of the same idea as freebase dmt, you'd smoke it out of a meth pipe rather than a crack pipe, and it's much higher purity.

 

the yellow "butter" is freebase cocaine while the "white crumbly shit" is crack. they just use a different solvent(ether) and base(ammonia) to make the good freebase cocaine.

generally speaking yes you can convert almost any drug you could normally access into its freebase or acidic state. I'm sure there are some drugs that can't be converted so easily too though.

 

There are quite a lot of drugs that are unable to be salted. Unless its a primary amine then it would be more difficult. If not impossible, i.e. THC. THC can not be salted.

 

good example cod. wouldn't thc-acetate be considered a salt of thc even though its an oil?

 

hmmm, i cant say i have anything to say about all the chemical changes of things just cause i havent looked into it as much as i would want to. but i know like 4-aco-dmt!!!
it will be nice when i have some nice new encounters with it again.

 

Just to add to the topic, making something into a freebase doesn't instantly make it smokeable. I'll give you an example, Ketamine. Ketamine can be smoked as a HCl salt, but smoking it as Freebase is very ineffective.

Anyway, to answer your question, I've heard a couple of people who've tried it and they didn't get very good results, so I wouldn't recommend it. If you want a really powerful but short-lasting experience then try IM or IV. (remember to keep your doses a lot lower than you would with oral consumption)

 

THC-acetate is an ester and not a salt. It is also made from a different isomer. Its made from Acetic anhydride, not acetic acid. The same idea as replacing the hydroxyl for an acetoxy (which you can see in the top left of the molecule).

THC



THC-O-acetate (also known as THC acetate)