Now let me be clear - in no way do I deny it, and I think that doing so is ignorant beyond belief - how can anyone deny a true fact, History is a given! But My point is if someone wants to deny it - What can't they? Its damn ridiculous that they're put away in jail if they do. The Slave trade killed hundreds of thousands of black people, and tortured and enslaved thousands more. Yet I can openly deny that ever happening and no one would care - in fact, most people would just laugh an ignore me. The Zionist regime themselves only six days after being given 'the original' israel broke international law and have done so consistently - killing thousands of palestinian, jordanian and syrian people on the way. Yet I can openly deny this too - and still, no crime. I can stand up and deny any massacre in the Congo, or Darfur and I'd still be able to walk the streets as a free man. All the above people have had misery and historical injustices brought upon them. So why do the Jewish people get the special treatment of no one being allowed to deny the holocaust or they'll get jailed? I've been curious about this for quite a while. Thanks.
Germany's parliament passed legislation in 1985, making it a crime to deny the extermination of the Jews. In 1994, the law was tightened. Now, anyone who publicly endorses, denies or plays down the genocide against the Jews faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail and no less than the imposition of a fine. Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries: Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947), Belgium (Belgian Holocaust denial law), the Czech Republic under section 261, France (Loi Gayssot), Germany (§ 130 (3) of the penal code) also the Auschwitzlüge law section 185, Lithuania, The Netherlands under articles 137c and 137e, Poland, Romania, Slovakia,and Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code). In addition, under Law 5710-1950 it is also illegal in Israel. Italy enacted a law against racial and sexual discrimination on January 25, 2007. [2] Even if it is commonly referred as the "Holocaust law" in the public debate, it does not actually contain direct references to the Holocaust and does not explicitly address its denial. Many of these countries also have broader laws against libel or inciting racial hatred, as do a number of countries that do not specifically have laws against Holocaust denial, such as Canada and the United Kingdom. The Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cyber Crime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an article 6 titled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity, though this does not have the status of law. Of the countries that ban Holocaust denial, a number (Austria, Germany, Romania and Slovakia) were among the perpetrators of the Holocaust, and many of these also ban other elements associated with Nazism, such as Nazi symbols. Additionally, scholars have pointed out that countries that specifically ban Holocaust denial generally have legal systems that limit speech in other ways, such as banning hate speech. In the words of D. Guttenplan, this is a split between the "common law countries of the US, England and Wales, and former British colonies from the civil law countries of continental Europe and Scotland. In civil law countries the law is generally more proscriptive. Also under the civil law regime the judge acts more as an inquisitor, gathering and presenting evidence as well as interpreting it"[64] Many Holocaust deniers claim their work should be protected by a universal right to free speech, and see these laws as a confirmation of their own beliefs, arguing that truth does not need to be legally enforced. However, the argument that laws criminalizing holocaust denial laws are incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights and the UN Declaration on Human Rights have been rejected by both the European Court of Human Rights[65] and also the United Nations Human Rights Committee[66]. Some people who do not deny that the Holocaust occurred nevertheless oppose such restrictions of free speech, including, despite her legal battle with David Irving, Deborah Lipstadt. In fact, most historians oppose such laws, including Raul Hillberg, Richard Evans and Pierre Vidal-Naquet. Other prominent opponents of the laws are Timothy Garton Ash,[67] Christopher Hitchens, Peter Singer,[68] and Noam Chomsky. An uproar resulted when Serge Thion used one of Chomsky's essays without explicit permission as a foreword to a book of Holocaust denial essays (see Faurisson affair). Penalties for violation of Holocaust Denial Laws[63] Country Minimum Maximum Austria 6 months 20 years Belgium Fine 1 year Czech Republic 6 months 3 years France Fine or 1 month 2 years Germany Fine or 1 month 5 years Israel 1 year 5 years Italy (law against racial discrimination) 3 years 4 years Lithuania Fine or 2 years 10 years Poland Fine or 3 months 3 years Romania 6 months 3-5 years Slovakia Fine or 1 month 3 years Switzerland Fine or 1 year 15 months http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
Just look at the Canadian, Ernst Zundel, who was jailed for speaking the truth about the Holocaust. Most "Holocaust deniers" are not deniers persay. They don't deny the Holocaust happened, they just question and bring forward evidence that refutes the official story. Anyone who questions history and thinks for themselves is relegated to the anti-Semite bin. These days, anyone who questions the government and asks questions is usually deemed an "anti Semite." This is used to shut people up and marginalize them as being something they're not.
What was he saying ? - ''In 1997, Zündel told an interviewer from an Israeli newspaper that "[t]he Jews of the world have a Holocaust coming, and all the gruesome lies that they have told about people like Germans during the Second World War—all those grotesque Spielberg-like distortions of what really took place—one day will come back to haunt Jews, and I want to not be around when that happens'' It might be wrong to judge him on this . Was he imprisoned for inciting racial hatred or what ?.
I am not sure of exactly everything Zundel said, and I personally do not agree with that above quote if that is what he did in fact say. As a matter of fact, I don't agree with him on most things. For one, I don't blame Jews for anything because they're being manipulated like everyone else. Besides, it's ZIONISM that is the problem, not JUDAISM. There are many Jews that are opposed to Zionism, and for good reasons. Unfortunately, the Holocaust has indeed been exploited by zionists to push a zionist agenda. But at the same time, it also goes well above simply Zionism, which is one among many fronts used by the Elite at the top to further their control and power. I believe that a free people should have the right to say whatever they want, no matter how flawed, grotesque or just plain wrong it is. They are using people like Zundel to set an example. It's not about protecting people's feelings or trying to stop racism and hate, which is just silly. It's being used to clamp down on people's right to freedom of speech and civil liberties. If you notice, most countries are now passing hate crime laws which make it a crime to simply use words deemed not politically correct by the establishment.
I don't think it is designed to pick on that one individual - you can say pretty much what you like but I think he was in a whole different ball park. There is a limit and somebody can step over the mark of ''free speech'' - it seems Ernst Zundel did that. PC is a matter of opinion - trust me EVERYBODY who has a ounce of humanity within them has a breaking point as far as PC goes. You have just said you disagree with a lot of what he has said - it is not just individual words it is POV that lead others to accept that as a truth and use it as a excuse. OBL anybody !!! -
I deny ever understanding what a law is. Therefore, I have every right to break which ever laws I so choose because I deny ever knowing about laws. I deny ever having killed a person. Even if I did in fact kill a person, I have my right to deny ever killing a person, and should therefore not be able to go to jail because of my rights to denial. Anyone who denies the Holocaust should be jailed. It's just not polite to falsify reality.
So crimes should now be based on how unpolite somebody is? Why should any government have any say in the words that come out of anyone's mouth? THAT is is height of Nazism. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, whether you disagree with them or not. Also, what exactly is "denying" the Holocaust? I can't think of anyone who denies that it happened. Questioning the Holocaust and the things we're told about it is quite different from killing a person, and to even compare the two is just ridiculous.
This is so typical - you rush to defend a holocaust denier and then admit you have no idea what he's said. Most people would be a little more careful about praising holocaust deniers (and don't pretend you were defending his freedom of speech, you were praising him for speaking the truth). Then think harder. Sure, most go for holocaust 'revisionism', like your friends who think the zionists were behind the holocaust, but plenty go for denial as well. Including Zundel, who you were so quick to praise.
