Sometimes people don't know what freedom really is

Sometimes people have no clue...
Sometimes people don't know what the hell they're talking about...

Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child

Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child

Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child

A long
Way
From my home, yeah
Yeah

Sing
Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Freedom
Freedom

Sometimes I feel
Like I'm almost gone

Sometimes I feel
Like I'm almost gone

Sometimes I feel
Like I'm almost gone, yeah
A long, long, long
Way
Way from my home, yeah
Yeah

Clap your hands
Clap your hands

Clap your hands
Clap your hands

Clap your hands
Clap your hands

Clap your hands, yeah
Clap your hands

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, yeah yeah yeah yeah
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah
Hey, yeah yeah yeah yeah

I got a telephone in my bosom
And I can call him up from heart

I got a telephone in my bosom
And I can call him up from heart

When I need my brother , Brother
Brother, Brother

When I need my father, Father
Father, hey, Father

Mother, Mother
Mother, hey, Mother

Sister, Sister
Yeah, Yeah

When I need my brother, Brother
Brother, hey, Brother

Mother, Father
Mother, Mother
Mother, Mother

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah-yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah

It takes 25 minutes to turn a live steer into steak at the modern slaughterhouse where Ramon Moreno works. For 20 years, his post was “second-legger,” a job that entails cutting hocks off carcasses as they whirl past at a rate of 309 an hour. The cattle were supposed to be dead before they got to Moreno. But too often they weren’t.

“They blink. They make noises,” he said softly. “The head moves, the eyes are wide and looking around.”

Still Moreno would cut. On bad days, he says, dozens of animals reached his station clearly alive and conscious. Some would survive as far as the tail cutter, the belly ripper, the hide puller.
“They die,” said Moreno, “piece by piece.”

Under a 23-year-old federal law [which exempts the slaughter of birds], slaughtered cattle and hogs first must be “stunned”—rendered insensible to pain—with a blow to the head or an electric shock. But at overtaxed plants, the law is sometimes broken, with cruel consequences for animals as well as workers. Enforcement records, interviews, videos and worker affidavits describe repeated violations of the Humane Slaughter Act at dozens of slaughterhouses, ranging from the smallest, custom butcheries to modern, automated establishments such as the sprawling IBP Inc. plant here where Moreno works.

“In plants all over the United States, this happens on a daily basis,” said Lester Friedlander, a veterinarian and formerly chief government inspector at a Pennsylvania hamburger plant.

“I’ve seen it happen. And I’ve talked to other veterinarians. They feel it’s out of control.”

How many people in here have ever set foot in a factory farm?
I have. The tyson chicken processing plant in Glen Allen, Virginia. I've never smelled or seen anything like it to date.

 

freedom is to do what you believe is right without fear

and what are you going to do about this?

please give warnings if your about to show distressing pictures, there are alotta people who view this forum, and it'd be nice to know if your about to see horrid images like that

and please don't give me the usual speel of we eat it, so we should be prepared to see it...of course that's true, i don't eat meat unless i know where it came from and how it was produced. i just think you should say what's about to come up.

 

freedoms just another word for nothing to lose.






mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chicken

 

Looks like you've just given me the "usual speel" that most omnivores give as it is. Try looking in the mirrror next time. And if people don't want to see the pictures, that's at their own disclosure, it's supposed to bother you. If it doesn't, you have issues.

 

Yeah... and people such as yourself speak of it all the time. And then this issue comes along and what do you know... "Who gives a shit. They're just chickens"... that's one reason I don't like people. They give a shit about theirselves, but when it comes to someone else or another species, you can say it in two words, in a nutshell, "fuck them"... We're just a bunch of egotistical, self-centered, mindless pretentious dickheads drifting about in an orbit in the middle of the universe. So much for freedom.

 

well it's nice to know you group people together. well done, yes, i am an omnivore, thank you for your observations. and thankyou for telling me what i thought you'd say anyway

it's nice to see that thing of "us and them"...

i look in my mirror, i see me. i know what i do, i think of the consequences of my actions.

i also know that we have evolved as omnivores, we need certain proteins that meat give us to remain healthy, but i won't go into this....i don't want to bore you

i was actualy suggesting you give a warning of what's about to come up, they are at the top of the thread, and you have no idea what's about to come up. they shocked me, and may offend/repulse others.

 

chicken is tasty... so is the bacon i'm eating right now.

 

Everybody on this young hippies forum, is young, we dont FULLY understand the word freedom yet, you know what im saying, People abuse the word freedom in everyshape or form, they think freedom hell i can do whatever i want, but freedom is there to a certain exsent ( sP sorry about spelling. you know what im saying,


i dont eat meat, but people humans need the proteein to live, and survive

 

true that .. .

 

Like George W. Bush for instance... "spread democracy and freedom to the world!" so we can all work a nine to five corporate job under a pyramid of people.. and increase productivity.. its good for the economy.. and then the people buy.. Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom!

 

i seriously think i'm going to throw up. my parents won't even let me watch babe because the mom is killed. actually, any movie where an animal is killed they hate to have me watch. i go through coupons and ask about the ones like for tyson chicken and stuff to make sure its not an extremely brutal company. i do eat meat but i eat very little. i'll go vegetarian once i grow to liking soy.

freedom is something that one should only strive for. you should feel free, not think you are free. if you think you are free, than freedom becomes a prison.

i'd go on but i seriously think i'm going to throw up. thank you for this though, i gave a speech in class using pictures like these. it was supposed to be persuasive and everyone was SO disturbed. my teacher gave me a b. everyone else did theirs on things like "i'll prove spiderman is better than batman" and shit... sorry, repressed anger.

 

::sigh::


feel free to attack me. this is the only time i will be posting/reading this thread.

Humans abuse their privileges, far more that any other creature on the face of this planet. We pollute the earth bit by bit, which may ultimatley cause a fatal disaster some time in the future; we destroy the forests (and with rainforests... theyre destroyed to create grazing for land cattle); and we take other creatures against their will, and put them through pain, stuff them in unnatural environments, and basically deprive them of living normal, healthy, natural lives. And this is all for human pleasure.

And I'm not just talking about factory farming. I'm talking about circuses, zoos, etc...
Now, I'm all for zoos that keep their animals if there was some sort of greatly harmful element in their homes in the wild. But when zoos are there just for human enjoyment and not the well-being of the animal, it just isnt right.
The transportation of these animals from the wild, to the zoo, is very dangerious as well...
And I quote

"only 1 in 10 baby chimpanzees survive the trip from the jungle to the zoo."

However, circuses are much more worse than zoos. To train their animals, they use every form of abuse from driving hooks into the animals flesh and then moving them (the hooks) back and forth, to hitting the animals with baseball bats and other objects the "trainers" can find. The animals aren't kept in good living conditions, arent fed the proper food, and arent handled correctly.

As for factory farming...
You can't continue to be naive about the conditions these animals are forced to face on a daily basis. I mean, god, just look at those terrible photos. Read up on facts (mine ARENT PETA based by the way) - inform yourselves.
Yes, humans have to live too, and that means to omnivores that they have to kill animals (yet I've been a vegetarian for 9 months and I haven't dropped dead yet). But, most parts of the animals slaughtered usually go to waste, unless you hunt (which is by far a more 'natural' and humane process than packing thousands of animals together, skinning them alive, breaking their legs while theyre still alive, slicing them open while theyre still alive, etc...). Hunting allows the animals to have been free for at least a part of their lives, it doesnt cause pollution, and you can use every part of the animals bodies instead of just tossing most parts of their bodies outs when youve found you can just make a profit on a few main areas.

And for all you "hippies" out there who buy factory farmed meat... you arent really hippies if you continue to preach about peace, love, compassion a healthy earth, and all humans being able to live good lives. When you support an industry that pollutes the waters, destroys the rainforests, tortures animals, and deprives third world nations of food, you're just "hippycrites".

Now, I've posted these facts before but a lot of you seem to enjoy being in denial.

from 1960-1985 over 40% of the central american rainforests were destroyed to create grazing land for cattle.

75% of the grain sent to 3rd world nations goes to livestock production

livestock production is the #1 cause of water pollution in the u.s.

I could never bring myself to eat a dead animal again, but if you choose to do so, at least inform yourselves about the conditions these animals are put through. And I know one of you is just feeling the urge to mention lions and tigers, and how they kill animals.

The way they kill animals is a totally natural process. They hunt for themselves, devour almost everything, except for bones and maybe a few scraps. The "scraps" and such left over, are then eaten by other animals, except for the bones which can decompose.
Tigers and lions hunting does not cause pollution, doesnt destroy the land, doesnt force animals into unnatural conditions, etc...

As I said before, I won't be reading this thread again, or posting in it again.

B'bye

 

Yeah, tigers hunt for sport too... that's natural, right?

Technically, humans are'nt meant to eat meat. It takes an average person 7 days to digest a piece of meat. Thats week old meat rotting in your intestines(fucking disgusting, imho). Meat is actually counter productive; The energy you get from meat is less than what it takes to digest it. Humans just were'nt meant to eat meat.

Personally, I don't think anyone really knows what freedom is.

 

Personally, I think your all full of shit.

 

Oh my god! You mean to tell me they have to KILL animals to get meat?!! I had no idea man. You totally opened my eyes! I thought they waited until the animal dies naturally before they took their meat! Dude!!!

**rolls eyes**

And I suppose now is the time where I'm supposed to get all choked up and start crying about a dead cow when there are thousands of PEOPLE dying of AIDS and living in dire POVERTY and who wake up every morning wondering how they're going to feed their CHILDREN.

Oh wait, that's right...I'm an omnivore, therefore I don't give a shit about anyone but myself. Sorry, forgot. My bad.

-Kate the Evil Omnivore

 

Pork


Its whats for dinner

 

In that case, no one deserves freedom.

 

im not against posting the pictures, but please, just a little warning.

and sarcasm isn't very nice, people have a right to do what they want if it doesn't effect others, gloating over the fact your eating meat isn't going to get anywhere

i don't want a huge dragged out argument as to what's right, it is peoples own choice, but they should be aware of the facts....but the facts shouldn't be forced on them so graphicaly without warning, as that invades personal space, and would make more enemys than friends

these are just my thoughts, please moan at me if you don't agree with me

 

mmmmmmm beefy