Stalin was not a communist!

I don't believe that Stalin was a communist at all and it makes me very angry that his actions have given communists a negative image forever. Can someone PLEASE explain HOW Stalin can be considered a communist when he was def. just a nationalist dictator like any other!?

 

I second that.

Stalinism != Communism

 

"Stalin became general secretary of the Soviet Communist Party in 1922"
he WAS a Communist
there is no ifs, ands, or buts

 

If Stalin wasn't a communist, what was he?

 

Joe meant well for Joe -


Stalinism/Soviet communism = state capitalism.

US/European capitalism = monopoly capitalism. Big bussiness won in the end.

However, Stalin's greatest contribution was really the defeat of the Nazis.

 

An exclaimation mark, followed by an equals sign, means "NOT EQUAL TO" in most forms of logic, programming, and physics. (Sometimes, tilde equals ~= is used to represent "NOT EQUAL TO", but that is confusing as tilde equals can also mean "APPROXIMATELY EQUAL TO" or in some programming languages, "MATCHES")

It wasn't a typo. Hope that explains it. As I'm a programmer, I have a tendency to use symbols like this to explain relationships -- sorry that it wasn't clear.

So ... as long as I SAY that I'm Christian, and as long as people BELIEVE that I'm Christian, and accept me into Christendom, I AM a Christian even if I think Jesus was Satan and God doesn't exist?

"there is no ifs, ands, or buts"

Duck, you shame my home state of PA, lol. j/k

Stalin probably believed he was communist. But Stalin was not a communist; communism is a CLASSLESS government, with no social castes or heirarchies. While there may be a leader (or a group that leads the direction of the country), communism does NOT leave room for a dictator.

Go read the Communist Manifesto, and you will understand why Stalin was NOT a communist.

From Wikipedia:

"Communism refers to a conjectured future classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production, and can be classified as a multivariant branch of the broader socialist movement." - Communism, Wikipedia.org

"However, under Stalin's leadership, evidence emerged that dented faith in the possibility of achieving communism within the framework of the Soviet model. Stalin had created in the Soviet Union a repressive state that dominated every aspect of life. After Stalin's death, the Soviet Union's new leader, Nikita Khrushchev admitted the enormity of the repression that took place under Stalin." - Communism, Wikipedia.org

Note in the above quote, communism is marked as "not achieved."

"Consequently, most of the world's Communist parties, who previously adhered to Stalinism, abandoned it and, to a greater or lesser degree, adopted the moderately reformist positions of Khruschchev." - Stalinism, Wikipedia.org

"Trotskyists argue that the "Stalinist USSR" was not socialist (and certainly not communist), but a bureaucratized degenerated workers' state—that is, a non-capitalist state in which exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste which, while it did not own the means of production and was not a social class in its own right, accrued benefits and privileges at the expense of the working class." - Stalinism, Wikipedia.org

A Stalinist.

Have you never heard the term before?

Heck, I learned this term in my Modern *US* History class in high school ... and we weren't even talking about Russia!

 

Greed is not why communism failed. That "communism" wasn't true communism. In real communism, there would be no need to force ideas on anyone or take away freedoms. There can be "greed" in communism as long as that "greed"is for the whole society, not just one individual. You can be greedy to improve your society, and that's not bad greed. Greed is only bad when it equals selfishness.

 

Cooloner I don't know how you can honestly look at history and go so easy on stalin.

He makes me shudder.

But true communist he was not.

 

he may have not been a "true" communist
but no leaders ever were

communism is a retarded idea anyway

 

Yes...but not as retarted as capitalism.

 

I was under the impression that the big split was one state communism (ie: Stalinism) and one world communism (Trotskyism). If i'm wrong, correct me (just don't base any opinion on Wikipedia).

 

I think being leader of the Soviet Union was probably easier than the life inflicted on many of its citizens.

Communism was never defeated because it was never established in Russia.

 

There was a centrist dictatorship in the USSR
Not a communist state.

And stalin might have had some good intentions.. but
What road is paved with such? [his effect on the people, not him]

There has never been a communist nation on earth

The closest we come to it is buddhist tibet

Occam

 

get rid of your computer .

 

I was under the impression that before the Chinese invasion, Tibet was a theocracy or something similar. It was hardly communism as Marx would have understood it, in a country ruled over by a de facto 'god-king'.

 

you are joking, right?

 

EXACTLY.

So stop being prejudiced against Communism! You have NOTHING to base your contempt against!

You do not even know what communism is!

Your idea of communism being retarded, is what's retarded.

Why shouldn't I base any opinion on Wikipedia?

Studies have shown that Wikipedia is actually, on average, MORE correct than CLOSED encyclopedias such as the Encyclopedia Britannica. In fact, the vast majority of Wikipedia's information first came from Nupedia, the project that started Wikipedia, which is a CLOSED encyclopedia.

And yes -- Trotskyism was much closer to communism than Stalinism could have ever hoped to be. As the Trotskys said before, STALINISM IS NOT CLOSE TO COMMUNISM. It is a dictatorship that doens't even fall into the category of socialism!

Why would he be joking? Capitalism is one of the worst ideas to have ever hit the face of the planet, next to genocide.

It creates a multitude of multi-billionaires that control all of a country and have enough authority to pressure most of the world into compliance (save those god damned freedom fighte--I mean terrorist motherfuckers!!), and if removing a single all-powerful dictator was hard, try removing several hundred of them.

 

because I disagree with communism I don't know what it is?
how is that logical in any way?

 

we make the billionaires by buying their shit...
if you don't like it, don't buy their shit

 

BlackBill

Was thinking how the people actually lived..Not the 'name' of it.
Were the people used and controlled or did they not have more freedom
than the godking.?
Was not the social hierarchy pretty 'flat'. The system being more like
a family where dad dosnt say/do much and the kids have great respect
for him and call him Sir and ask him for wisdom,,not discipline.

To occam, communism is where ALL people are responsible for ALL
other people..co-operation, not competition.

Who was marx?

Occam