Starting a commune - but where?

My husband and I have a dream of starting our own commune. Since I'm graduating school at the end of this year or the beginning of next, we've decided to use next year's tax return and move to the area where we will stay, then in a couple of years we'll buy a few acres of land and go from there. We had decided on Texas when I got to thinking today that it might not be the best place to go. We'd like to work towards being as self-sufficient as possible and I just don't know if that will work in TX, since the land's not great for crops, water can be hard to come by, building materials sometimes have to be shipped in, etc. So where do we go? Here's what we're looking for:

- Someplace warm, with mild winters.
- Rich soil, good for growing crops.
- Enough rain so that we wouldn't have to rely entirely on irrigation.
- Reasonable land prices. We'll be starting small, but hopefully adding to our land through the years.

The only places that are completely out are Alabama and Kentucky (I'm studying to be a midwife and I'll be illegal in those states). Other than that, we can go pretty much everywhere. Our dream is CA, but I don't think we could ever afford it.

If you were going to start a commune, where would you go?

 

I totally agree that California would be the best of the best, but is expensive. Have you looked into joining others? Or is it necessary to start it yourself?

 

Huh?

 

try the Ozarks

 

Midwives are illegal in Alabama and Kentucky. What don't you get?

 

Northern California

 

except for the fucking pot economy. Thanks to the absurd grey market economy for pot out here, most are making so much money that they don't have to band together in a commune. Those who are "haves" are rather reluctant to let the "have nots" around. This fucking non-system breeds greed, waste and privatization. I would call this area incredibly fucking corrupt, and it drives me crazy, as I REALLY WANT to live in a commune, and yet the commune I was trying to build seems to be falling apart.

 

Well clearly I didn't get why you said that - now I know that they are illegal I don't need to ask anymore.

 

actually, texas is probably the best bet from a rights standpoint. texas is the only state in the union that allows people to own their land in allodial title. anything worth doing is worth doing right. good luck.

 

Hate to burst your bubble, but being a native Texan I can tell you for a fact that you'll never get a Judge to grant you an allodial title. It is EXTREMELY RARE and the process you have to go through is very meticulous.

If the gov't wants your land, even in Texas, they will just use Eminent domain and take it. Best bet is to find some land so far from any type of civilization that the possibility of the govt ever taking it is slim to none

 

south of spain

 

Better do your homework before you decide...Cali is expensive and north cali is known as the Emerald Triangle, which is the hard core pot growers and dealers which is getting lots of federal attention, so be careful and check out the area you're looking at.
Also look at the gov census and EPA reports so you can check crime rates, water, soil, and air quality, etc. Here's a decent site for ya...
Sperling's BestPlaces-census

I know you're anxious to get started, but be safe and be prepared to avoid a hassle.

Good luck to ya

 

Never having heard of Allodial Title, I looked it up and found this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

Which states partway down the page in regards to the US;

I have no clue if thats correct or not, just what the page says....

 

i understand why that would be there. and you have to understand wikipedia can be edited by anyone. but seeings we are a republic, not a democracy, we od have the ability to own land in allodial title. in texas. naturally people wouldnt want you to know this(banks, real estate companies, the government) because if you own it, and actually own it (no third party involved) then nobody can tell you what can and cant be done with it. you could build whatever with no permits, drill for oil if you wanted, almost anything that doesnt infringe on someone else's rights. you also wouldnt have to pay property taxes because the gevernment cant tax property it does not own. what most people dont realise is that if a bank is involved in a purchase, you never own it outright.

its the same idea when you buy a NEW car. if you can pay for it outright without involving a bank, and request the "manufacturers seal of origin" then you dont need a lisence, registration, insurance, or even a godamned liscense plate to drive it because it is your property. and in a republic all rights are derived from property. you already have the right to travel, and if you own the car nobody can tell you otherwise.

 

I won't disagree with any of this, because I really have no clue, as I stated...

I did however, want to point out that I know wiki can be edited by anyone, which was why I didn't claim what I posted was fact, but instead, pointed to where it came from.

 

also, the government couldnt possibly own this country. they work for us (based on what the constitution says, not what ignorant americans let happen, theres a big difference) and are an entity that is supposed to work for us and our well being. we let them tell us what to do because we have forgot its our country, not theirs. and in the process we forgot our rights, and even what type of government this actually is. democracy is the tyranny of the majority, thats why our founding fathers chose a republic. because certain things arent supposed to be able to be voted on when it comes to our rights.

in a democracy if all in this thread owned land, but i was the only one with water, you could all get together and vote on whether or not to take my water. now as long as i am involved and have the chance to vote as well, there is nothing i could do if you all decided to take my water.

in a republic, it cant even be voted on because i own it, therefore it is my right, and my right alone to say what is done with it. the entire us population along with its armed forces could show up on my porch and tell me they are taking my water, and my "no" trumps any legal recourse they could attempt. now if it came to that they could surely kill me, level my house and take my water. but thomas jefferson said "you only have the rights you are willing to fight, and die for."

democracy: no allodial title exists
republic: allodial title exists

 

i wasnt trying to be mean. maybe i chose the wrong words, i didnt mean to insult you.

 

i guess my long winded point is this, if i was starting a commune i would try to find a place in texas. but its all a personal preferance. hope everything works out wherever you go.

 

I wasn't insulted, and didnt think you were being mean at all.

 

cool.