States cracking down on illegal immigration because our Government wont

I have witnesed posts in other forums on this issue. Some people think that these illegals are helping by paying taxes and keeping Social Security alive also, but these are bunk arguments.
The illegals are not paying taxes. They simply claim exempt on their W4 forms when hired and then send their paychecks home to Mexico before they go to the grocery store here and use their foodstamps (our tax dollars).
The SS argument is bunk too as these criminals are using STOLEN SS numbers because they are illegal imigrants and not citizens with their own SS number.
Mind you I have no problems with immigrants that go and get work visas or permits in a legal manner or come here to become a citizen. The people I have a problem with are the ones who come here to take advantage of our countries services and give little to nothing back for all they take.
I say good for the border states that are tired of being over run and using greedy businesses to force these criminals to become legal workers or citizens or go home.
Arguments that this country was founded by illegal immigrants is also bunk. Ask the Poles, the Irish and the Italians that came here in huge numbers, learned the english language and became legal workers and citizens unlike the leeches that have infiltrated our country as of lately.
I'm sorry that the native Americans here were not strong enough or organized enough to keep the Europeans from taking over or selling out for booze and trinkets, thats not our fault as this happened over 200 years ago and is of no relavance. That has nothing to do with what is happening now. Don't forget that the Europeans also trampled through Central and South America around the same time, desimated the natives at the time but native people are still there today unlike North america. Why is that?
The fact is these illegal immigrants are criminals and some are terrorists and need to be treated as such and sent home.

What say you?

 

I pretty much agree with what you're saying, except I have a hard time blaming the people crossing the border, as they're being allowed (and even encouraged) to flood into the country. There is a reason for this that most people are either unaware of, or they just don't want to hear about since the media won't talk about it. The fact is, the negative impact from illegal immigration dwarfs whatever benefits there are. You simply cannot allow a third-world population of people, who cannot easily assimilate, to flood into the country unchecked, without there being serious socioeconomic repercussions. We began seeing these repercussions long ago. It was all planned this way and is by complete design.

Instead of using the Mexican people as scapegoats and casting all the blame on them, people have to understand why the George Bushs, John McCains and Ted Kennedys of the world want an open borders policy and amnesty. It's not simply about cheap labor. This is a very, very, very small fraction of the reason. The fact of the matter is, this country has been set up to be brought down socially, economically, and politically. It was written back in the early 90s, by a man named Jacques Attali -- a French economist who also served high within the French government -- that around this time, as America was fighting to bring "democracy" to the Middle East, we would see an influx of immigration from the South. He said this would ultimately bankrupt the US, and the next boat people leaving a country to find work abroad would be the Americans. This was not merely predicted by Attali, but is something that has been planned for a very long time by these globalists, who have long been pushing for a one world government and a North American Union to be modeled after the EU, complete with a new standardized currency modeled after the Euro.

Governments work to further agendas with something called the Hegelian dialectic. We can also refer to it as PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION.

So when you allow such a massive wave of immigration into the country, you create the problem, which triggers that reaction in the public that something must be done. The government, via its CFR-controlled media, then comes forth with their pre-planned "solution" of what should be done. According to some within the government, the solution is to simply make those who are here illegally, legal, which then paves the way for them to bring in their entire families as well.

When you ignore the country's immigration laws, you basically give permission for anyone to come into the country. This essentially is the first step toward erasing our borders, which is exactly what the internationalists who run this country want. They know that if they can begin to slowly erase the borders, they can use that as a way to then justify an economic then political union of the three countries (US, Canada & Mexico).

So this is the REAL reason behind the open borders policy. The idea is to destroy the country financially, which will then create the chaos needed to pave the way for a new standardized currency, and the complete integration of the US, Canada and Mexico into one standardized union.

So I am sure this whole notion of the states cracking down on illegal immigration is little more than window dressing, to divert people's attention away from the inaction of the Federal government and provide the illusion that something is being done. Unfortunately, I see little changing, because the agenda at the top is to leave the borders open and eventually erase the borders between the three countries completely.

 

As someone who works in finance, i can vouch for that. it's serious identity theft problem.

 

It is perfectly affordable to deport them as well when you look at just how much they're spending of our money. An estimate of 250 billion was put forth by the National Policy Institute. This may seem like a lot until you realize the immigrants are costing taxpayers around 10 billion per year, along with over 200 billion thanks to depressed wages.

 

Dont forget what it costs the citizens that have to fight to regain their identities after they are stolen...

 

i work construction,,i know countless red blooded americans that have NEVER paid one red cent into income tax or ssi,and a whole helluva lot more that only pay into the system sporadically.

beyond that,illegal immigrants pay taxes every time they make a purchase,many of them own homes,more taxes.i see them as no different than 70% of the construction workers in the south, white, black or hispanic.

so the whole "they dont pay taxes" argument is mute to me.

 

wow i just reread the O.P.

what say i??

you really dont want my opinion ,,and im pretty sure if i gave it fully id wind up breaking forum guidelines so ill just leave it at..

i think your views are extremely skewed and based more on race than legalities...

 

My views are based on law or the breaking of it and the theft of American identities and other violent crimes and the taxing of our hospitals and welfare system
It is a real simple problem for the illegal immigrants to fix though. They just need to CHOOSE to become legal workers or citizens. It is their choice to do this. The fact they choose not to is the cause of their issues not the citizens being assholes or racist. That would negate the need for arrest and deportation and legally paying income tax which you and I know the go around.

 

so what if there legal,that doesnt change the nature of a person,that doesnt guarantee that they will play by the rules anymore than it guarantees any american will.. beyond that do you know how much it would cost the taxpayers of America to process all 12 million plus illegals? thats about as logistically feasible as deporting all 12 million plus of them..

quite frankly this country would fall on its face within a year without the hispanics illegal or not. face it americans as a whole have far to much of a entitlement mentality to do the labor for the wages they do.

to me the whole closed border debate has to do far more with keeping us in than keeping them out anyway...

 

*coughs*

By deporting 'illegals' you risk separating mothers from children, sisters from brothers, husbands from wives, and tearing all kinds of human lives apart by the millions.

Have you been to Ellis Island?

Millions of illegals were entering the United States of America by boat by the drones for decades. They would come to America, settle in various areas of the nation and work their tails off. The Irish, the Poles, Italians, etc.

They didn't learn English overnight either, they were treated like the scum of the earth before most of them were re-patriated or their children grew up as legal citizens.

Does anyone remember when the US government deported its own citizens in the early 1930s? Oh yeah, they happened to be Mexican - so we naturally all forgot about that part of history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_Movement

Maybe some can even read up on the Immigration Act of 1924 - which aimed to regulate where immigrants came from and targeted specific ethnicities and races from entering the United States for decades. (Perhaps this quota standard perpetuated the social stigma and idea that illegals who arrived were unwilling to become full citizens because they identified themselves as being granted by the federal government the status of an immigrant living in the country.)

Learn your immigration history and labour movements. It's better to know the history of issues than to make up personal opinions on how to tackle the issue.

 

But nobody is really pushing for closed borders other than the people. The Federal government seems to want to leave the borders wide open, so this alone should tell you something. Don't think for a minute that George Bush wants the borders sealed. He has been at the forefront in pushing for an open borders/amnesty policy, along with people like John McCain and Ted Kennedy.

 

yeah i know an i know your right,,i just cant help but think how handy that fence an all the electronics will come in when the SHTF...

an it bothers me that if bush an the rest didnt see some benefit from it they wouldnt be waiving enviromental restrictions,claiming imminent domain on private land etc..

 

^^^^ and ^^^ Agreed, too many people just see immigrants as some sort of evil job stealing force. They don't see them as people.

 

There is the personal crime. Homes all along the border are constantly invaded and robbed. There are rapes, murders, and robberies all over the nation each of which which would not have occurred had that criminal alien not been in the USA.

Then there are the health issues. People who enter illegally are coming from an underclass base. By definition this guarantees that they will have a higher incidence of health problems which of course includes transmittable diseases.

If I remember right it was illegal workers that were caught on video forcing sick cattle into the California slaughter house a few months ago.

It isn't the persons who are demonized it is the general fact of all these millions of people and all the trouble that they bring.

Fact is the illegal immigrants care for no more than the $$$ they can send back to their homeland as if they really cared for the country they would choose to become legal workers and citizens...

 

everything you say here,the same can be said for red blooded americans.

 

Yes, and the thing to realize is that they ALWAYS come forward with the so-called solution to the problems they create. That's their dialectical modus operandi. So anytime they come forward with a "solution," it's always a false solution to the problem they created to justify that pre-planned solution in the first place. They have also been using the immigration issue to push the "Real ID." So I don't accept any of the solutions they offer to combat the problem, because that's exactly what they want. It's just important to know how they control BOTH sides of the issue, which most people cannot understand.

 

Wow. Just wow. I hope you can learn some kind of tolerance and peace from your twisted and biased views on people.

Read this, humour me:

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Twisted bias views? there are no views in that post. Its all facts. you dont know how to understand what you read do you or are you that ignorant?
What part of these people are illegal and choose to be illegal dont you understand??

 

the illegal immigrants care for no more than the $$$ they can send back to their homeland.


I'd call that a view mate, and a rather bigoted one. On a par with saying Americans care for nothing but eating burgers and lynching blacks.

 

*laffs*

What part of "working illegally to manufacture US Military weapons" to be potentially used against illegal workers as they are escorted to the Texan border doesn't compute in your mind, eh?

Cheap labour = profit for the US Military.

It's systemic oppression whether they chose to participate by working for someone or someone hires them to work illegally.