stop making kids

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because
-overpopulation=pollution, less forest, more cars/planes/shit/junk
-we NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW>: that is, before, the famlily was vital, the thing conCerning raising a family was serious matter (and still is of course), BUT WE NEED TO EVOLVE..... WE NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW|> NOT ONLY FOLLOW THE CULT OF FERTILITY, BUT MORE DO THE CREATIVITY AND THE SELF-LEARNING THING (INTROSPECTION, SEEING OUR DARK/WEAK SIDES THAT NEED TO CHANGE. THE WORLD IS OLD AND WE NOW NEED TO CLEAN UP! THE PARTY IS OVER, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT LIFE IS OVER. WE HAVE BEEN LIVIN IN A HAZE THE LAST 2000 YEARS, IT IS TIME TO SOBER UP AND FEEL CLARITY AND STOP THE BINGE....
HAVIN KIDS IS STILL NECESSARY, OF COURSE, BUT THAT IS NOT THE MEANING OF LIFE!!!! THE MEANING OF LIFE IS NOT MATERIAL ....> COMES FROM THE WORD IN LATIN MATER, MEANING MOTHER...
THE MEANING OF LIFE?.... IS RICH, COMPLEX, SOMETIMES HARD TO FIND, BUT IT IS, AT THE BASE, SPIRITUAL, SOMEHOW.... FIND OUT YOUR OWN MEANING OF LIFE, DONT FOLLOW THE CROWD.

 

maybe you should try going into the parenting forum and tell them to stop "making kids"

 

Well, at least you have an interesting writing style...

 

Many of us have grown up learning and being told that 6 billion is too much and this "over population" is primarily impacting the planet's ability to cope. But is that really the case? Sure, the planet is facing incredible stress. But how much of that is due to large populations, and how much is based on other factors, such as how we choose to live, how we produce, consume and waste our resources?
Good thing I didn't need your permission to have 7 kids!

 

"There was a young fellow named Lorne,
Who wished that he'd never been born.
He wouldn't have been,
If his parents had known
That the tip of the condom was torn."

But seriously, Squawker7. Go to any demographic site and look at world population as a function of time. Do the arithmetic. If we have a population of 6 billion, that means twice as many people in their child bearing years as compared to thirty years ago. These people in their reproductive phase don't have to have more children per capita. They can even have fewer children per capita (say, from 1.1 down to 0.9) over their lives and the population will continue to grow.

What we need is Negative Population Growth. Zero is no longer good enough. I am programmed to die sometime in the next twenty years, which will be a good thing ecologically but a bad thing personally. Tough titty. In the meantime I haven't had any children. That means I'm part of the solution , not part of the problem. Yes, I drive a car and heat my mobile home, sorry for breathing.

 

I hate to say anything racial so I'll tip toe around this issue but it seems minority groups (around here it's the hispanics, more so than... well everyone) that seem to think having 10 babies is a wonderful idea.

Religious? economic? Trying to make a minority race a majority? I don't know... but certainly alarming. And no not b/c they're hispanic or any other creed (is that the right word?) of people. Just bc there's already enough of us running around period.

 

I'm Native American, French & Irish....is that a minority?
I don't consider myself religious either

 

This is absolute bollocks. I know many a white family that live in the UK funded by the government and have between 5 and 13 kids. So I really don't see how the multiple breeding problem is just an ethnic problem, but there we go again... if there's a problem, blame the ethnic minorities!

 

You sound like that bit in Naked Gun..."Cuban?"..."Dutch-Irish, although my father is Welsh"...

 

As for the subject in hand, yes, many, many people are having children wehn they are too young/not ready/not materially stable/dont like children enough/many things...but really the planets problems wouldnt be solved if people "stopped making kids".

Youre right, we need to learn something new. A new way of dealing with things, of looking at the world. And we need to teach this to our children

 

did I say with absolute certaincy. I just said it appears so in my area. I'm not blaming anyone. Just saying I've noticed this and I'm curious as to why.

 

i think people who have more than two kids should face criminal penalties. get rid of the pope.

 

"FIND OUT YOUR OWN MEANING OF LIFE, DONT FOLLOW THE CROWD."

Did it occur to you that for some people the meaning of life is having a family, raising their kids, teaching their kids things to make the world a better place. I don't think you can place children in the catagory of materialistic. People today who are very materialisstic with the huge house the 4 cars are the peole that aren't having kids. They enjoy spending alot of money on them selves. Yes peolple need to change how they are living, but cutting down on the amount of children, i doubt will help. When peole have kids they tend to grow up and be less waste ful, because they at some point struggle with money and end up getting handy me down clothes, using cloth diapers, making their own diaper wipes. Children help people be more self sufficant.

 

well, in the end it's your choice, your karma and your wisdom. (we people are at different levels of evolution....) it's up to you. we are free to make a choice. but remember, every choice you make, will in the future give YOU and THE EARTH, some consequences, good or bad. what is good for humans ("having a big family") might NOT be good for the earth.
Stop being egocentric, and start being ECOCENTRIC
Egocentric? sure.... having kids is egocentric: subconsciously we want to have kids because then OUR OWN GENES WILL MULTIPLY/WIN/SPREAD. deep down we are still just fighting fo survival, we are just following the intincts of our genes.....
just open your eyes around you, and realize that in every human being, in me, in you, there is a selfishness that is natural, but you know what, i beleive that life is about LEARNING and EVOLVING. I believe that one of the lessons today, for humans, with the earth problem,>> we human need to understand that that earth comes first, the earth was here first, (and animals, plants ... etc) and that humans are not that important after all ,and that we our selves are not that important. And having kids is not important in the end: TODAY, it is even harmfull for the environment.
it's your choice and your karma: and the future of the earth and all the animals and forest and the future of earth life as a whole depends on every choice we make.....

 

at the current rate of reproduction, our species is doomed to exhaust the available resources of food, clean water and energy. the problem is compounded by the way we live, with a focus on material possessions and comfort. the compounding goes further when we consider that this increased burden on the planet will result in a radically altered climate, meaning millions of dispossessed people.
you already know all this. what worries me is that the affluent will hardly give up their 'entitlements' (energy, water, space) without a fight. i'm expecting massive wars for the most basic things we all take for granted. wars for resources and territory in a rapidly changing world, with more and more people fighing over these common essentials.
freakon is exactly right: our primordial survival instinct will always demand reproduction, and this is something we have a responsibility to control. i can't see why anyone should have more than two children. zero population growth is a start, not a solution. we need to re-evaluate our lifestyles with a goal of future sustainability in mind, rather than immediate profit.
BUT! the primordial instincts of selfishness and greed mean that there will always be people who do anything for profit. the challenge therefore is to outlive our flawed nature. how to change human nature? a good start would be in chemistry. LSD has shown incredible potential for expanding our minds. efforts should be put towards designing drugs that can open the eyes of people who would otherwise fail to see the crisis that we are creating for our descendents.
i'm not talking about social engineering, but a revolution of consciousness. we need to realize that by divorcing ourselves from our roots, we are becoming spiritually dead. take the power away from the capitalist machine that demands us to consume as a means to happiness. some material possessions are essential to survival, but most are a waste of the limited resources we have. so the message is at once simple and extremely complicated. where do we go from here?

 

if everyone in the world had the standard of living of the average american, we'd already be out of resources.... thank god for the billions of poor, deprived human beings in third-world countries!

 

i'm sorry but anyone who imagines that their genetics are so important that they need to reproduce them more than once is selfish. apparently the saticefying of the reproductive instinct is far more important than the health of the planet that those reproductions will inherit. and i guess the survival of other species doesn't even come to mind when your genetic replication and cuddling a baby is all that matters.

sometimes my heart is breaking so severely over the losses our beleagured living planet is incurring due to human egotism that i pray for a pandemic. we humans need a good culling.

 

^ well said.

 

Pope is a head of church he can't say "stop making new lifes", God loves his childrens and church can't be involved in that.

 

Yeah and i'm sure 'God' is hella appreciative for all the damage we've done to his planet.