students' rights & military recruiters at public schools

http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=19156&c=31

 

If you say you are a pacifist, they leave you alone.

 

Very good link was not aware of "Recruiters are taking advantage of a little-noticed provision of the No Child Left Behind Act that gives recruiters unprecedented access to schools and requires schools receiving federal funds to turn over student contact lists." I will have to try to find out more about that. That gives me another reason to dislike the No Child Left Behind Act.

 

sometimes they do leave you alone if you say you're a pacifist. the better-behaved ones do. but according to a news article i read this afternoon, recruiting is at an all-time low, and some of them are getting desperate.

 

that's just the issue - they target the kids who can't afford private school, and feel they have no other choice for their futures than to be cannon fodder for bush's illegal war. it's an economic draft.

 

They have been targeting high school students before Bush was in office, and long before the war on terror. And, I don't really see an illegal war, it was approved by Congress, and a couple of those that voted yes for the war was John Kerry and John Edwards. Although I do not really agree with the way it was gone about, I do believe that a war was just.

 

Yeah, every year at career day they have at least 3 speakers from the gov. Not that I would ever step foot in there but really its ridiculous the level their going to. I saw footage of some recruiters terrorizing Wal-Mart shoppers to join, it was disgusting.

 

Why all the fuss? So Uncle Sugar gets his crack at advertising to High Schoolers. So what??

"Just Say No" - Nancy Reagan

 

i happen to be a parent. i don't want recruiters lying to my kids that signing up to be a future statistic in bush's oil war is any kind of a chance at a future.

gilligan, i homeschool now. my kids (3 & 7) are too young to be of interest to a recruiter, but when they become old enough to more actively make decisions about their education, i want them to have their rights protected, should they choose public school.

 

Your kids can't sign up without your permission until they are 18.

By that time, they will have been exposed to so much advertising that they can recognise the Army stuff for what it is. (i.e. the same kind of lies that McDonalds uses to get us to buy hamburgers.)

By the way, what rights are being violated by the Army asking "Please join us"?

The current low recruitment numbers show that these young folks aren't as gullible as we fear.

 

is not that they're asking, it's how they're doing it, what they're doing with student information (for example, economic profiling) and most importantly, how they're getting that information.

 

Liberals wanted the government in the schools to get God out, so now they can't complain when the army moves in. There is no seperation of state and state.

 

They can complain. They have every right to. I don't think it will make much difference, however, unless we figure out how to block the loopholes that the army has found. I used to go to a school where the army would come and explain how great they were. I was unwittingly put in a JROTC programme at the school (and hated it), through which I saw what the army is like. They first tell you that you can go to school for free, before quickly adding that you need to spend time in the army. However, they make the army seem like some overly-entertaining summer camp. Never once do they mention that, should there be some sort of war, army men and women are expected to leave everything and kill. NEVER ONCE do they say the word "kill"; never once do they suggest that people might die in the army. It's misleading. Students who can't afford to go to college and don't know a great deal about the army will go for the free education. However, that education isn't much use when you're busy getting shot at.

 

we understand that. the point is that there is a huge, gaping difference between the way things are, and the way things should be. although great progress in providing or creating educational alternatives has been made, particularly in and around large cities and wealthier rural communities like woodstock, alternative education still is not accessible to everyone. those who feel they have no other educational options for their kids beyond public school should not be forced or coerced into forfeiting their rights to an education free of harassment and double-motives. the way the system currently stands, that is not the case.

 

Joining the military provides a lot of opportunities to a lot of people. It's honorable to go to work for your country. Our military is very important and allows us to maintain our free way of life (not in regards to Iraq). I feel that targeting teenagers is appropriate. In many countries you serve a few years in the military no matter what, at least everyone is giving complete freedom in choosing here. If you're a pacifist that's more than fine, just tell the recruiters that and walk away. Most will respect your belief.

 

I attempted at 18 to join the Marines and at 22 to join the Army. Both times they turned me down because of a surgery I had as a kid, but the recruiters are devious. One of them wanted me to tell a lie to the one who was going to give me my physical. If I had and had gotten caught in it, I could've been prosecuted. Fucker.

Anyhow, much of my family were in the military (not my parents), and I respect most aspects of it, but it is not "defense" of our nation anymore. Now, it is a world police organization under the name "defense" and, thanks to Bush, has become an "offense".

 

The military remains a defense because without it we'd instantly lose our status as one of the major world powers.

 

Primarily, it's not just a defense anymore. It is World Police organization.

 

Perhaps. Right or wrong, that is an unsurprising position for the world's leading power to take. We're expected to pick up the pieces of the world's problems, but if we take anything into our own hands, we're "policing the world" and everyone hates us. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. The top of the ladder is always going to receive the most criticism.

 

About the only area we lead the world in is military power. And it is abused by those in authority.