Surely all men can't be this fucking stupid

I know nobody goes into the young mom's thread


so just so I know who not to like, please answer the poll

 

I like you....

 

ANy man who wouldn't care doesn't deserve to live

 

I never noticed that there was a young moms thread.

 

A lot of men are fairly fucking stupid... I happen to be one to be able to admit it and at times, be proof of the fact.

 

see the thing is that if the majority of men were responsible and id what they needed to do in order to be good men I would say yes they have a right to stop it. But when there are no moral stgmas associatted with being a dead beat dad than men do not have to be held accountable for their actions. so while I would never get an abortion without extreme good reason without the guys consent I also don't think women should be givng themselves to everyone.

 

It's the woman's choice. I think that she should obviously discuss the situation with the man, but ultimately its her choice. I'm not sure how I would handle a situation though where I wanted to have the child, but the girl didn't. Hopefully not one that I have to encounter in my life.

 

I personally have a problem with abortion. But, then I'm not the one carrying the child. If it were my child I'd want a say in what happens.

 

well in the thread someone said that abortion rights should nullify child support

then it turned into a abortion shouldn't be performed unless both the man and the woman agreed

I, personally, don't believe in abortion (obviously, I have 4 children, one I choose to have after my fiance had just left me)


My point is this...No man should make me have a baby


If I don't wanna be pregnant and its legal to abort, I should be able to make my own choice with my body

 

seems like to me that if you are about to have a baby with this person, you should be able to talk and come to an agreement


think about this: if a woman doesn't want a child and a man makes her have it (per the suggested idea). don't you think that child would suffer? With a mother that didn't want to be a mother and was forced into it?

 

I said I would want to have a say in the decision not dictate what happens.

 

ok well, that I can understand

 

I think that a man is as much a parent of the child as a woman.

If you ask me, a woman aborting the child of a man who wants the child because she doesn't want to go through the pain and discomfort of pregnancy and birth is little better than a man forcing a woman to abort a child because he doesn't want to go through the pain and discomfort of paying child support for the next 18 years.

I just don't believe that a baby is the property of the mother or a part of her body to do with as she pleases, I think it's an individual human being with two parents.

I guess if loving my children more than anything else in the whole world would make me stupid you can just call me Forrest Gump

 

anyway.....

 

Anyways what? Don't want to talk to the dum-dum-stupidhead who doesn't agree with you?

Oh, and the option I would pick isn't up there:

Yes, if the man is willing and capable of taking complete custody of the child should the mother not want the child.

 

you know .....consider yourself disliked


There are things about being pregnant that you will never understand and I don't plan to waste my time attempting to explain them to you


So...no, I don't wanna talk to you cause you think you've got it all figured out


go on believing whatever you what

but I know "discussing" this with you is a waste of time

 

Perhaps there are aspects of being a father you wouldn't understand. There' parts I don't understand either, not having been a father before. But I have my opinin, like it or not.

Why is it a wate of time to discuss the issue with me? I will listen. Is it because I'm a man? Or because I don't agree with you? Or because I'm a man who doesn't agree with you? Or is it just because I'm a dum-dum-doodiehead? You can tell me if I'm a dum-dum-doodiehead, I won't give you bad rep.

Please tell me though, am I even human?

 

For myself it comes to this:

For the period of time that the woman is pregnant, whatever is existing within her is, for all practical purposes, a part of her. She has the right to do with it as she pleases. As to the father's rights... what rights? Were it not for the woman, his "contribution" would be a stain on a towel or sheet somewhere, to be washed off and forgotten; no more "sacred" than a toenail clipping. If a man wants a child, let him find someone who is willing to bear it.

Now before anyone begins throwing things at me, read this: I believe that every life is important, however I also believe in reincarnation. It matters not when life "begins" or when that collection of cells gains a soul. What counts is the experience of life. Better to be born into a positive situation than into a negative one. If a mother doesn't want the child (for whatever reason) then the soul is better off finding it's life experiences elsewhere. It will be back, as will we all.

 

fine.


but then I'm going to bed

you wanna based this arguement on who you are

not all men are like you

I know guys that have begged girls to have babies and then left when the girl was 4 or 5 months pregnant

Ultimately, the woman ends up responsible for the child not because of anything other than the fact that it grows in her body

guys can choose to disappear, girls can have abortions

neither is a great idea but those are the breaks

There are men that are abusive or are not worth to dead flys smashed

should they be able to decide my fate , not even my fate, but what goes on in my body?

where do the fathers rights begin and end? should a guy with no job be able to make you have his baby? what if it was an affair?

the father of my two girls would have quickly told me to have my girls....

but he only loves me (and them) half of the time. I had to make the decision to be their mother for the rest of my life, no matter what their father chose to do

My mother had a baby and "gave" her to her father ....my sister is a hole in my life and my heart

my friend had a baby and gave in up for adoption.....she is constantly depressed everytime she thinks of that child



in short, life is too complex for your brand of idealism


Being pregnant was the most wonderful and most horrible thing i have ever experienced ( my kidneys shut down at one point)
I was scared, overjoyed, amazed, mad, ashamed and whole bunch of stuff. But I chose to have them. And everyday that I drag myself out of bed to take care of them, I 'm glad I did. It takes true commitment and devotion to be a mother. Someone else's won't do, you need your own to survive this ride.

And as far as giving the child to the father...I'm no incubator. Forget the fact that while you know you are not ready to have a child, pregnancy will make you love that baby (most of the time). Its not cut and dry. At one point you will have to answer to that child as its mother that left it. What do you say? I never wanted you? If you can find a chick that cold-hearted, more power to you. But as for me.....no man has domain over my body.

 

I should probably say something about the flip side of this coin: the right of the mother to expect support from the father of a child, whether he wanted the child or not. Let me be honest about this. The welfare of a child is the responibility of the entire community into which it is born. When we speak of equal rights and equal opportunity, why do we place an age requirement on it? Once the child is born, that child deserves the very best opportunites that we can give it. Equal opportunity begins at birth. Neglect, malnutrition, etc. are all factors which the child has no control over. it is up to the community to insure that s/he doesn't suffer from these things which might stifle it's potential at an early age. The child will have plenty of time to stifle it's own potential after it has reaced that point of maturity when it is expected to make decisions for itself. Until that point, every child should be guaranteed access to food, shelter, health care, education, etc. of the finest quality the community can provide.

Already I can hear people screaming at the screen "There is NO WAY that I'm going to pay to raise someone elses child!" I say that is a selfish and immoral stance. Should you be unfortunate enough, as a parent to be unable to give the best to your child (a situation which far more people on this planet are inthan we will probably ever admit to ourselves), you would want to see your child continue to have the same chance at "success" - however that is measured - as any one else's child. What is more, if you grew up in a household where you were denied the opportunity to reach your fullest potential (as most of us were) you should be able to imagine what it might have been like to grow up without that handicap. Wouldn't it be great to be able to say that this is a land where everyone really does have equal opportunities?

Well, wouldnt it?