Swiftboat veterans for truth

Swiftboat Veterans For Truth is an organization attacking John Kerry on his war record, and making outrageous claims about the senators tour of duty.

Hows everybody feel about this? Its the exact same thing the Bush team did to another vetaran, John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries, using pawns to carry out uncreduleous claims of superficial wounds to get out of service, and although they never use the word, war crimes.

For example, they show a Doctor who says he treated Kerry an injury that earned him a medal, says that it was a superficial wound that he got from being negligent... as it turns out the Doctors name was nowhere to be found on the paperwork, and it makes you wonder why a doctor in a war who treats thounsands of patients would even remeber one soldier with a small wound.

I would think no matter which side your on, you would think these attacks are ludacris and tactless. But as it turns out these attacks seem to be hurting Kerry in some polls, particularly among veterans. Some have blamed Kerry for being slow to respond, but I dont see why someone should have to defend their record aginst baseless allegations, but I guess I was wrong. Kerry needs to do something.

 

I think these political tricks cheapen the service of everyone in the military.

Considering that Bush never went to Vietnam and was AWOL from his Texas National Guard duty, it shows that he has no shame. The Fucker [Bush] has created an Iraqnam for Halliburton oil. I hope Bush rots in hell.

http://www.awolbush.com

If you want to do something about it, sign the petition.

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php

 

I think that it is absolutely rediculous and in the end just makes Bush look worse. Although his campaign is saying they have nothing to do with this paticular group one of his campaign advisors appeared in one of their latest ads. Of course they are saying they knew nothing about it...


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/21/edwards.swiftboat/index.html

 

Right, Bush was asked to denounce these specific ads, and he said,

"we'll I wasn't there..."

Thanks for the link cyberfly.

That Old tricks commercial was really good.

 

To some extent, Bush has an advantage in this. No one can really criticize Bush's combat experience because he doesn't have any.

It's like at your job where the boss picks on the ones who do all the work and accuses them of not doing the job well enough. The boss can't really pick on the people who are lazy, because they have no work record to pick on. The lazy ones often get off with much less criticism.

 

You're welcome Lodui.

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#vietnam

 

The military dentist should have filled the cavity in Bush's skull.

 

I've been watching this one. It stinks to hell of Karl Rove, who really doesn't have much regard for the truth.

The argument was resolved for me when the special forces guy, Mark(?) Rasmussen, who Kerry plucked from the water, said that Kerry indeed came under fire and risked his life for Rasmussen.

Further evidence that Swift Boat Veterans For Truth isn't at all about truth is the fact that the only other surviving swift boat skipper of that day's action, a writer for a Chicago newspaper, has stepped up and said that Kerry did come under fire.

Kerry is most likely catching this flack because he "broke rank" when he announced his anti-war position when he got back home.

It's really sickening that people who did their best to avoid the war are propping up these allegations from people who weren't involved in the combat action.

 

For the "what it's worth" dept.John Kerry served in combat,honorably.Dubya served in the texas air national guard under dubious conditions.IMHO,I believe Kerry showed courage in denouncing the war in Vietnam,as many veterans of that war did,including me.I served two tours in that hell.Dubya was busy avoiding a routine annual flight physical due to his "coke" use.Later he was "absent without leave" (awol) due to his stumping for some republican in another state.Back in th' day,being awol was a serious charge,especially during a time of war,declared or otherwise.I have known many good men who AFTER service in nam,went awol to try to get away from the horrors,and the ignomeny of having served.Bush got a whitewash job.Unfortunatly,the sheep are going to be prone to the diatribe of the neocons.I firmly believe that Kerry has to fight back,and hit douchbag well below the belt with TRUTH,proveable truth.That might swing the sheep into ousting dumbass,imho.

 

Check out this article.


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_5062.shtml

 

There are more.

Bush Supporter Leaves Campaign Over Role in Ad

By Jeremy Pelofsky

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with President Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign spokesman said on Saturday.

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election.

"Col. Cordier did not inform the campaign of his involvement in the advertisement being run by (Swift Boat Veterans for Truth)," Schmidt said. "Because of his involvement with this 527 (group), Col. Cordier will no longer participate" in the steering committee.

The disclosure of Cordier's involvement came one day after White House spokesman Scott McClellan and Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot denied the campaign coordinated with the group on the ads, which claim that Kerry lied about his Vietnam War service.

Kerry has called the ads inaccurate and accused the group of being a front for the Bush campaign. On Friday the Kerry campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission seeking to force the ads' withdrawal.

New advertisements by the group are set to debut next week in states where Kerry has touted his military service. Kerry won several medals and his record is often contrasted with Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard during the war.

McClellan has refused to specifically condemn the ads and instead has urged Kerry to join Bush in calling for an end to all commercials funded by unrestricted donations.

U.S. advocacy groups can collect vast sums of money to run their own political advertisements but are barred from coordinating their activities with campaigns or political parties.

"There seems to be an increasing amount of evidence that the Bush campaign is behind this," Kerry campaign spokesman Phil Singer said. "So it's no surprise that the president refuses to condemn these scurrilous ads."

The Bush campaign has said Kerry ignores the fact that his backers run attack advertising aimed at the president.

Over the last 12 months, groups favoring the Democrats have spent $63.5 million on ads attacking Bush, according to the Bush campaign, which filed its own FEC complaint earlier this year alleging coordination between Kerry and the left-leaning groups.

http://www.liberaltopia.org/

 

I couldn't care less if Kerry served honorably in Vietnam, or saved 50 children from a burning building. It's irrelevant to me! This whole thing is a sham intended to divert people away from the real issues.

I don't like John Kerry. I don't like George W. Bush either.

Whether Kerry wounded himself or obtained his medals honorably is meaniningless to me. Just like Bush going AWOL is meaningless to me.

This was 35 years ago. There are much more important reasons why I don't like these Skull & Bones cousins, but that's a whole other post.

But anyway, the fighting - between BOTH parties - is just ridiculous.

The Dems have been playing every bit as unfair as the Reps. All of this is nothing more than a bunch of election-time politics intended to attract the attention of IDIOTS who actually place importance on, and are actually swayed by, such nonsense.

 

SBVT are little more than hate-filled partisan fraudsters whose ad(s) only dishonour themselves and show the predominantly right wing mentality of our military establishment. As for the nature and quality of Kerry's military service, no amount of ads can overcome what is quite substantially a matter of official record...


Read it an weep neo-con liars

And they say the last people who want war are our servicemen and women eh? Funny how so many demonstrate their blind ideological support for rabid warmongers and crony capitalists then isn't it?

 

Kerry's a posturing prick who is trying to pump himself up on a war he says he should never have even fought in. How's that for oxymoronic: It's like a doctor renouncing abortion but talking about how great he was when he did them!

The rebuttal to your thing about the doctor's name not being on stuff is that it was common, according to explanations I've read, for a doctor (overburdened with taking care of wounded, with limited resources, to be sure) would have underlings sign for that kind of mundane thing. Let's remember, Kerry is not claiming to have had any major life-threatening "war wounds." They were said to be SCRATCHES, essentially. And I think his whole "war experience" was just him trying to earn a reputation that he knew he would later put to use politically. A posturing peacock prick who has always been about pretension for political gain.

Learn to spell without relying on the hip-hop world to teach you. The word is "ludicrous." Look it up. And "you're." A contraction of "you are." "Your" is a possessive. Did you pay any attention in school at all? Maybe that's why you're so easily taken in by Kerry's bullshit.

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey

 

Kerry is indeed no progressive solution to our nation's woes, but frankly Jeffry, your vitriol against the man sounds continually like an apologetic for those who actually control the reigns of US policy and have repeatedly been exposed as both corrupt (corporate cronyism and Cheney's own book-cooking fraud whilst CEO of Haliburton) and fraudulent both as to their own credentials as well as in the justifications of their arrogant warmongering.

Before calling Kerry a grandstander, I challenge you to go back to the start of this issue to see just who it was who dumped it into the election year debate in the first place.

Hint: one who couldn't have been arsed to even show up for cushy NG duty let alone even set foot in Vietnam. Oh yes, a man busy vacuuming up lines of coke whilst the sons of lesser families were busy dying for a previous lie is so vastly qualified to hold sway over our armed forces and our foreign policy.

 

Look at how Bush is using the 3000 deaths in NY for political grandstanding. This is the first time the RNC has had its convention in NYC and would have never done it had it not been for the 911 incident. It doesn't get more sick than this.

 

Well, it matters to most of us who actually understand HOW politics work. Don't like these men? ONE of them is going to be the leader of our country (assuming you are Ameican, even if you are not, who the leader is will effect you) better Kerry than lying, weakling, Bush. (NO ONE cares about the ridiculous Skull and Crossbones boys club, but you, Rat....big fucking deal.)

It takes a LOT of balls to fight in a war, and still be able to point out it's inconsistancies and wrongs. There WERE atrocities commited in Viet Nam, and Kerry had the balls to ADMIT what every man and womyn who served in Nam knows is true. These guys who say they were there and are saying "There were no atrocities" are the real hippocrites. It took a lot of strength to go to war, and even more to protest an unjust war afterward. Kerry ROCKS. Those of you who are dissing Kerry, how many lives have YOU saved? What have YOU done (except complain) to help your country or people in general. Unless you have done heroic or socially helpful activities (of which Bush has never done either) you have no room to criticise Kerry or people like him. Save some lives and I'll listen to who you "don't like" or not. How petty.

 

I drove a P.B.R.(river patrol boat ) in Nam and am sick of hearing about Kerry's exploits. That was another lifetime. Hell' I was I "hero" too, but I only got spit on when I came home (wounded). Shit I lost 14 men and had 5 boats shot from under me.... Fuck Kerry's ravings.

 

This really isn't about Kerry's ravings. I hear less about Kerry's record from Kerry than I do from republicans.


How would you like it, after your experience there, to have millions spent on ads that lie and try to discredit your honerable service?

I really would like to hear less about Vietnam in this election also...and its the republicans that I have to hear about it from.

I am so sick and tired of this whole campaign, from both sides. I can't wait until this election is over. I am sick and tired of smear campaigns, and I can't even believe that it is even going on in this day and age. The American people deserve better out of our president and our presidential candidate.

 

Give at least one example.

I am truly sorry about what happened to you. I was a war protester but I never knew anyone who would spit on a solder. We just wanted to stop the war and get you guys home. I had some good friends who had been to Nam and joined the protest. Some of the guys told me stories about what went on during platoon. It’s pretty close to what Kerry was saying in ’71.

Most of the large protest rallies were infiltrated by the FBI(we know this to be true from the freedom of information act.) and their job was to discredit the war protesters. This may have been one of their tactics. What I’m saying is that the people who would do that were either “fucked up” or FBI.

But, do you think it’s right for a guy who went AWOL to now sent young people (like you were) to possibly die so a few billionaires can get richer

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I’m sick of these sleazy tactics of the Republicans to trash Kerry’s war record. Bush has always been a pussy and this is just his latest sleazy effort. He hides while these swift boat guys do his dirty work. He can’t talk about his record as president because his record sucks.

What pisses me of is that it’s working. There are people who are gullible enough to believe anything they see on TV.