OK I decided to make a new thread since this discussion would be off topic from the thread I cut it from. Do you really think so? What leads you to believe this? note: I am not disagreeing at all just wanting to know other peoples reasoning on the subject. So do you think that persons living in intentional communities will fare better than the general rural population? Bear in mind that (a lot of) small towns will function like communities after a breakdown in interstate commerce. Note: I did not say the urban populace because obviously they would be screwed.
so much depends upon what you feel you need and want too bad not to do without in order to survive....but even more important to some (me for one) than survival is a fire within to be doing that which I am...I am not willing to just survive....and am old enough that maybe some will believe when I say I don't mind dying...to me it's just another phase of Existence. Without that driving fire within to guide and nourish me ...I do not think I would still be here. Blessings Namaste
as far as we living in america,yes at least for a temporary period i do believe we soon will be faced with teotwawki. what leads me to believe this? not going into anything that some may argue to be nothing more than conspiracy theories,one need only to spend a couple hours a day digging through the financial news stories to see we are living on borrowed time before the dollar crashes beyond a point of recovery. by all accounts if you dig through what the main stream media feeds you we have less than 6 months before the crash is in full swing.. this as we all know will carry over globally.. i feel that anyone that can manage to feed themselves without any help from others or relying on the infrastructure to provide it for them will fair far better than those who can not.. this all of course depends on what events unfold as the chaos of the crash unfolds...
A good friend of mine teaches economics and is reasonably conservative when it comes to forecasting trends (used to be a stockbroker). She's predicting a two year downward spiral but sees a recovery period afterward. After our discussion, she did agree that any recovery would depend on China and their continued investment in the U.S. Dollar. I'm just not confident that China isn't poised to transition to a strengthening Euro and bail on the U.S. Dollar. One thing is certain...Our dollar isn't going to be the world standard for long. The only thing that's keeping it alive is the unabandoned purchasing trends in America. We're THE consumers of the world. If we're not there to buy all the cheap shit that countries like China produce, who will?
So, I was re-reading my post and I should have added that this is just one of dozens of things that are happening now to bring about teotwawki. Even if our economy doesn't crash, the natural changes are reaching the point of no return. Crops are failing at higher and higher rates and transportation costs are going to go through the roof making food even more expensive. When world population continues to rise and food production peaks...people starve. Also, the NOAA report that we have again reached record temperatures both for June and for the first six months of this year. Although this is only the ninth warmest recorded year, it could be the worst in terms of heat related deaths due to high energy costs. Most poor people, when faced with buying gas to get to work vs. paying high utility bills, choose to continue to work. Seniors on a fixed income refuse to turn on air conditioners because they can't afford AC and medications etc.... As a social worker, I'm working with a couple of people right now in similar situations. I know these things have been elements of our system for awhile now, but if you look at the big picture, it's getting worse...a lot worse.
So does the word teotwawki have any roots? Latin, Native American? I tried google but all I got was end of the world and survival stuff.
^Oh an acronym.. it sounded native American I thought it belonged to some timeless Indian story that was passed down from generation to generation by the fire.
Actually, it is a very ancient word. It was the name of Adam and Eve's spaceship. How do you think Intentional Communities and the classic American small town community will fare without interstate commerce?
^Meaning in comparison to one another. I think that classic small communities of say population>100 and communes are more similar than you might at first think. Think of the towns hundreds of years ago that all came together for a barn raising. Noone was paid. All that was expected was that when someone was ready for a barn raising everyone would show up. Nowdays it doesn't quite function that way. Or is there anywhere that still does? Would there be advantages to living like that, with land and housing privately owned, versus living and working on community owned property? Granted this is a huge and vague topic. I also think that the pros and cons of barter, free sharing, and a monetary economy would play a large part in this equation.
the amish still live that way,im sure in other countries there are communities that function that way as well. as i stated before i feel those who will fair the best will be those that have the ability to be self sustaining. be it alone or as a group or community. i would have to think that the countries that are the poorest that rely on little or no outside aid such as those in the baltics will fair far better than some of the so called first world countries.. hows that alabama song go,, "somebody told us wallstreet fell,but we were so poor we couldnt tell".. yes bartering was big during the great depression and will be again. IMO,salt,flour,coffee,sugar,tobacco and alcohol will be worth there weight in gold if things get bad enough.then there are the barter items you would never think of that some consider a necessity such as feminine products,soap,toilet paper.that is of course if history repeats itself as is often the case..
Is anyone figuring the Planet X possibility into the equation? What would survival require if we had to grapple with the effects of Planet X in the next few years? Is survival even possible? And if so, how, where? Makes me rethink the whole self-sustainable farming path...
well if your going to believe the planet x theory then you must also believe some will survive.. if im not mistaken a lot that backs up the planet x theory is written in the bible and as we all know they survived and we are the proof of that.. so yeah id say humans,even the ones who are not the elite{ who will go run and hide 2 miles underground},will survive,at least some.. i would suppose your best chance of survival would be to have a couple years food put back,maybe a storm shelter of some sort.. and a lot of will to survive.. thats the whole thing about the elite and places like iron mountain,,sure its a fortress 2 miles underground,but if you believe the planet x theory then you gotta understand there will be earthquakes unlike anything modern man has ever experienced.. would a fortress 2 miles underground actually be the best place to be?
Hey HHB, we're exploring this now and have been doing some research about it. Here's a website with some very compelling information. I'd be curious to get your take on it. http://churchofcriticalthinking.org/planetx.html I agree it would take a strong will to survive but we're still assuming it's possible. I can see how the earthquake possibility would make the underground option insecure. Perhaps a cave? Or boring into the side of a (non-volcanic) mountain? Oh there's so much to consider... it's almost overwhelming. But you know... it's not over till the fat lady sings, right?
my take on it?? entirely to much math for me to make heads or tails of it.. its all greek to me.. lol like i said if theres one thing that site proves is that people across the world of all cultures did survive the last pass. from what i understand about planet X and it affects,id say it would be luck of the draw as to who survives and who doesnt..
Honey Bees disapearing all of a sudden in 2008. the Mayan calender ends in 2012. Einstein said that if the Honey Bees disapp..eared off the face of the earth that the human race had 4 years to survive. I think we need to think more like HHB.
well i think man kind could survive on a small scale without the bees.. not all crops rely on the bee for pollination and we have the knowledge to pollinate those that do require that type of pollination by hand.. well most not all..
If you guys think SHTF or TEOFTWASKI is going to happen wouldn’t investing a lot in farming be not that stable of an idea? Just for the fact of the first tactic in war and unconventional war is to destroy the enemies’ home base and means of lively hood. If you look at history that is the tactic they used with all the Indians and they still do it today in Central America and South America destroy the farms and put the people on the run. And who trains the soldiers in Central and South America? The School of the Americans/SOA dahdahnna... If they are training foreign countries to use these tactics on their own people in times of martial law won’t they use the same affectively proven tactics here in the time of martial law? Destroy the farms burn the villages and put the people on the run, over and over it is played out around the world The age old first line of attack. Just a thought.
i think isolation is key.. take for example the civil war era, most of the southern appalachians were overlooked by both sides. it just wasnt worth the trouble.. we have more than just one plan for if things were to get that bad.. SHTF isnt just dependent on war..or martial law for that matter.. you take a situation like the great depression and put it in modern day america and i assure you,,most will consider that SHTF.. i do believe that the cities will possibly fall under martial law,i think possibly there will come a point in time that they come to the countryside and confiscate guns and large food supplies. i really dont see them destroying crops or displacing the masses ,but if it does we have plans.. the thing is to have the knowledge to adapt.. thats what survivalism is all about IMO.. like i said,we are not relying on being able to sit here and ride it out,we do have plans B,C,D,and E.. one would be crazy not to.. that being said,,in a natural disaster situation,a economic catastrophe,large scale terror event,self sustainability in as rural of a location as possible,is IMO your first and greatest line of defense..
Yeah, I agree with that if you look at history all the Indians that were free from being conquered live in isolated places that were difficult to over come or had nothing to interest a conquering people. I do think isolation is smaller the it has ever been though with the huge population helicopters and planes that drop bombs. I also think if martial law happened I think the government would play the same strategies they do in South America and Central America. And spare rural places that acted as puppets for the government (pay expensive taxes, give young men to the army, and run and support government military stations) and destroy or repress independent villages. I think when governments get striped down to the bare essentials they act more as a military force. Maybe Alaska isn’t that cold, -40…naah I think I would rather sweat and get eaten by bugs in a jungle. :-0 lol
