The 666 Connection

For many years I have heard rumors and theories about identifying the man who's name correlates with the numbers 666. It stems from a passage in Revelation 13; 16-18. It forced all men, small and great, rich and poor, slave and free, to accept a stamped image on their right hand or their forehead. Moreover, it did not allow a man to buy or sell anything unless he was first marked with the name of the beast or with the number that stood for its name. A certain wisdom is needed here; with a little ingenuity anyone can calculate the number of the great beasts, for it is a number that stands for a certain man. The man's number is six hundred sixty-six. The conventional search includes looking at the Hebrew and Greek alphabets. Each of these alphabets have a number asigned to each letter. The footnote in my Bible states, Many possible combinations of letters will add up to the total six hundred sixty-six, and many candidates have been nominated for this infamous number. The most likely, however, is the emperor Caesar Nero, whose name in Hebrew letters gives the required sum. Nero personifies the emperors who viciously persecuted the church(I say he persecuted individual martyrs, not the CHURCH).

Anyway, I say that since there are so many good candidates, the real evil is not just one man, it is a way of thinking. King Solomon, with all of his wisdom had lots of weaknesses. In chapter 10 of I Kings, Solomon was financing a magnificent new temple for God. But his tribute to God was mainly in material things and not in his proper conduct. Solomon was at the heart of it all, an elitist. Here is a passage from I Kings ch. 10; 14. The gold that Solomon received every year weighed six hundred and sixty-six gold talents, in addition to what came from the Tarshish fleet, from the traffic of merchants, and from all the kings of Arabia and the governors of the country.

I have already told people at this forum about the Woodstock and Dead Sea Scroll connections in my threads psychedelic drug pushers and The Axis of Evil President Bush Did Not Talk About.

For a three day pass, to get into all three days at Woodstock would cost $6 per day. There is a picture of an original ticket in Joel Makower's book. However, so many people came that the gates were overrun. In order to keep things peaceful, the organizers decided to make it free. There were actually a few good times had in Biblical times, however short lived they might have been. In those times there was no entry fee to begin with. It was like a HUGE family thing. THIS is the atmosphere we need to get back!

There is another aspect to Joe Cocker singing at Woodstock which make it fit even better into the Micah 2; 11 and the Damascus Document connections. Joe and his band played for an extra 45 minutes to stall for the next presentation, therefore it is likely that extra songs were sung and could have been chosen like an impulse as Micah 2; 11 says.

 

When I was younger, I was obsessed with my birthday because it kept on popping up (the numbers of it) everywhere around me. It popping up was one of the many coincidences that God fished for my attention with (had to start with something that I would notice).

So, I am in the middle of this book, and they are talking about this massive conspiracy, that started on the date of my birth, 1334 and was scheduled to end exactly 666 years later (my birthday, year 2000, which was a blast, BTW).

I mean, talk about an awesome coincidence, the number of the beast and my bday being associated in a book!! Maybe I am evil!!!! ooga booga!!

 

That is very possible. However, you are only evil, if you chose to be.

I Kings ch. 12; 29-32. And he put one in Bethel, the other in Dan. This led to sin, because the people frequented these calves in Bethel and in Dan. He also built temples on high places and made priests from among the people who were not Levites. Jeroboam established a feast in the eighth month on the fifteenth day of the month to duplicate in Bethel the pilgramage feast of Judah, with sacrifices to the calves he had made; and he stationed in Bethel priests of the high places he built.

My birthday is December 29th, right between Christmas and New Years. The exact date for Jesus' birth is not known, but I was born between two dates that mark his birth(whatever date that is). Jesus suffered and died on the cross, for preaching love and peace. What does all this mean? Humility is an important part of real enlightenment.

All the things connections that I have put together, if taken separately could be dismissed. If taken together they can not. Those called by name from God know. ALL of us have a part to do. Asking God in a sincere manner, is the first step.

 

Accually, you are all wrong due to the fact that it has recently been discovered that the numbers were not really 666 but instead 616.

You don't believe me? look it up.

 

More iniquitous arcane lore does not make any difference. Don't know what I mean by that? Look it up.

 

I think it does. All that arcane stuff is cool. Part of God's mystery, it is....

 

What is it going to take for some people to get it? A ton of bricks too.

 

I dunno, God? At least some of us get it. Everyone else is so caught up in the mystery that they don't percieve reality... God did make it interesting, after all.

I remember the whole brick dream... that was creepy...

 

Naysayers are never at a loss for words, only substance behind the words. What brick dream? Where did I say I was God?

 

The footnote in your bible was more than likely correct and you should leave it at that.
Problem is, and typical of loopy christians, you go on to put your own loopy spin on it, and then it becomes just another christian diatribe of pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey midrash ~ using restrospective insight to appoint false significance to ancient events or predictions that otherwise have no contemporary relevance or meaning.
The Catholic Church has known since it's beginning that Revelations is plagiarised from the remnant writings of The Oracle of Sibyl 500BC, and can be found in a collection called "The Vatican Scrolls" (since re-named), uncovered by vatican scholar & priest Edmund Szekely in the Vatican's "Secret Archives" in 1925.
That should be of great concern to all christians, but of even greater concern should be the fact that Szekely subsequently found that the entire gospel of Jesus Christ was a falsity and ultimately renounced the christian religion as a result.
His story is told in his book "The Discovery of the Essene Gospel of Peace" (which is one of the christian plagiarist names of the Sibylline verses).
"Revelations" was not included in any christian bibles until just four centuries ago ~ that is, one thousand five hundred years after christianity supposedly began. Martin Luther called it "a book of straw", and long previous it was proclaimed a fictitious work by Hippolytus.
The christian historian Johann Mosheim (1694-1755) records in his work "Ecclesiastical History" ~ the early churchmen fell into "the pernicious error of deeming it not only lawful, but also commendable to deceive and lie.......... This vice early spread among the churchmen. Of this no one will doubt who calls to mind the numerous forgeries of books under the names of eminent men, the Sibylline verses, and I know not what besides, a large mass of which appeared in this age (4th century) and subsequently."
Now that we're onto christian methodology of "deceiving and lying", you might like to think about the morals and ethics of a religion that knowingly does such ~ even about it's own foundation and figure-head!

 

So, tell me again how we should not use psychedelic substances?

Nevermind. Apparently you do not know what I am talking about.

You said: What is it going to take for some people to get it?

I responded: I dunno, God?
Which was a sarcastic rhetorical question which meant: God.

Back to this stuff:

Do you not know that God has created "iniquitous arcane lore" for your entertainment?

 

My thought is that nobody would be comfortable with an authority between them and God, at least no mature person. Doesn't all the sillyness and denial of God's grace that abounds in the catholic church point you away from the church and towards God? Of course, you might still be a member of the church after you find God. Anyway, if God wanted, God could have obvious signs of the truth all around us... but instead God has created a misterree.

An attempt at deception designed to be detected is a signpost on the road to wisdom...

 

When I was young I wrote a letter to Billy Grahamn. I described to him that in playing around with numbers, and the letters in my name, I arrived at the total = 666. He wrote back to say "Tsk, Tsk, you need to read one of my books."

Later on (in reading the Bible) I stumbled across the part that said that he would rise up out of the South - I said to myself, "Hmm - I'm from the South."

But seriously, the mark may not actually be 'stamped'. God's people will have a mark also; just in the forehead.

As far as buying and selling - I can't buy or sell over the internet because I don't have a credit card.

616 is neither proven or written in stone.

Finally, here is a Bible verse I kinda like: Ezra 2:13.

 

Basing God's behaviour or reason on models of human understanding condemns God to the limited level of the person making the assumptions.

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

 

I was told when i was a child by a teacher of mine that many pagan religons honered the number three, and 666 was a pure expretion of this, so it was considered evil by those who tried destroy those religons

 

Some interesting views, but I still would like to try to convey where I am going, more clearly. At the heart of it all, if we all were to become fixated on 666 or 616 or 665 or whatever it is, we would be making a first step toward Salem witch burning mentality. God is not dumb. A living God, would be aware that for centuries the common thinking that 666 was the number to look out for. The thing is we are all born into a world built on lies and falsehoods of all kinds. I believe that God influences us while still letting us have free will. How well we interpret and pay attention, if we are even open to Him or not, has a bearing on what we take away from Gods influence.(IT DOES NOT TAKE DRUGS TO BE OPEN TO HIM, by the way) Here is a passage from a Dead Sea Scroll, I do not know if it has a title or not. It is where I first read the phrase iniquitous arcane lore. They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events. This, however will symbolize things for you. What is going to happen is, as it were, that all iniquity is going to be shut up in the womb and prevented from coming to birth. Wrong is gonig to depart before Right, as darkness departs before light. As smoke disappears and is no more, so will Wrong disappear for ever. But Right will be revealed like the sun. The world will rest on a sound foundation. All who cling to rarefied arcane lore will cease to exist. The world will be filled with knowledge, and ignorance exist no more. The thing is certain to come. The prophecy is true, and by this you may know that it will not be revoked: Do not all peoples hate wrongdoing? Yet, is it not rampant among them all? Are not the praises of truth sung by all nations? Yet is there a singlem race or tribe that really adheres to it? What nation likes to be oppressed by a stronger power? Or who wants his property plundered.... You can find a scanned page from a book with that passage at my personal site. The book is titled, The Dead Sea Scriptures.



I believe that within the next 4 or 5 years terrorism is literally going to bring the world to it's knees whether we choose to do so willingly before hand or not. We must all have faith and be strong to do what is right and unselfish.

 

The good thing is, God knows how our reasoning works, so can teach us the appropriate things for us to sufficiently understand God.

Yeah, mentally. What about getting a million bucks so I can go to Barbados?

<-- where the fuck did that idea come from... God's zingin' someone.

 

Again a presumption of God's behavour and intent. Whoever says that they know God's intent and purpose immediately reduces God to to the limitation of mankinds restricted understanding.
It could be equally said that God has just set life free into the cosmos in the same way that plants release seeds to the wind, and where it grows it will, where it can't it won't. Who is to say that God doesn't care one way or the other? ~ because he above all knows that life and creation is eternal.
So what does it matter to the creator who, in giving life, allows it to follow it's own course uninterrupted and without interference so that it can find the fullness of it's own expression in it's own way in it's own time?
After all, that is natures way, and nature must reflect the expression and intent of it's creator.
The religious viewpoint always depicts God as some kind of Big Daddy humanized entity that nurses the life of mankind and rescues it from calamity. Yet in nature this doesn't happen at all. It is time that the closed mind of the religious opened to the entire possibility of God instead of continually reducing it to the form envisioned by the frightened superstitious of the Dark Ages and before.

 

Limitation of mankind's restricted understanding? Hey, speak for yourself. You keep harping on nature (a small part of reality), but you have to know that man, and his understanding are not separate or at odds with nature. We are a part of it. Personally, I think that manind's restricted understanding, as much as anything else, reflects the expression and intent of the creator - and for that fact alone, cannot be deemed 'closed'.

 

Again the presumption that God does not teach some of us God's behaviour and intent. You know this presumption will prevent you from learning the truth, don't you?

Yeah. Whatever. Christian fundamentalists say that God created the earth in 7 days, because the bible says so. Hindu fundamentalists say that God went "ommmmmmmm" and hummed to create everything. Go ahead and make up another myth. Or, you can learn the truth from God.